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#201 OldStyle Blues

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 08:04 PM

Lol this very same picture has already been shown as FICTIONAL in another thread.

Really? Does the Smithsonain know about this???? And herein lies yet another logical fallacy of creationism. They offer no concrete answer for the problem at hand. Instead, they offer a short-term, unsupported solution for something they can’t explain and cry but but "that's not evidence!" all the while, providing nothing to support their own assertions.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 08:05 PM

Wow, 13 year old boy takes on the Smithsonian!

Where's the popcorn?

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If the evomongers there were forced to behave honestly, I know how that'd come out! Might want to throw in the R.S. just to make it a little more sporting.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 08:05 PM

Ok you've made the claim, please provide evidence to support this assertion.
You are incorrect.
Posted Image  Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls. (Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.) (larger 76K JPG version)

(A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
(:rolleyes: Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
© Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
(D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
(E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
(F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
(G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
(H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
(I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300,000 - 125,000 y
(J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
(K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
(L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
(M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
(N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern  Evidence

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Also the top row can be heavily associated with chimpanzees, and that sort of ape skull design. The lower half can clearly be attributed to homo sapiens. Even Aboriginie skulls have large brow ridges included on their skulls.

At absolutely no point does this show that humans have ever come from anything other than humans.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 08:06 PM

BACK ON TOPIC PEOPLE.

Oldstyle why don't you address the issue at hand?

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 08:07 PM

Really? Does the Smithsonain know about this????  And herein lies yet another logical fallacy of creationism. They offer no concrete answer for the problem at hand. Instead, they offer a short-term, unsupported solution for something they can’t explain and cry but but "that's not evidence!" all the while, providing nothing to support their own assertions.

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The Smithsonian is largely liberal/atheist. They are supported by evolutionist, and especially ones like you with an agenda. The pictures you provided show absolutely no factual basis for humans not coming from humans.

Yes even the smithsonian is guilty of supporting such bold face lies in the face of the innocent.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 08:08 PM

As we're dealing here with a surrogate rather than the author himself, we have to take into account the strong possibility that the "explanation" is beyond his own understanding. The author didn't write for clarity or even compliance with evodoctrine; but rather to obscure the lack of compliance inherent in the scenario. While that was being obscured, the rest of it became less clear than it otherwise would have been.

In any case, good luck holding them to topic.

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I don't respond to many of your posts because most of the time I can't tell what they mean. This one included.

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Uh-huh. The clues just keep comin' in.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 08:09 PM

Yes, I believe the topic is about the EYE not being able to evolve. Quite frankly eye evolution evidence is scant or none existant/assumed at best.

Plus this very topic has been discussed AT LENGTH in this thread alone. No evolutionist has been able to verify eye evolution successfully at this point. This thread has most likely run its course.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:14 PM

Also the top row can be heavily associated with chimpanzees, and that sort of ape skull design. The lower half can clearly be attributed to homo sapiens. Even Aboriginie skulls have large brow ridges included on their skulls.

Where is the evidence supporting your assertion?

At absolutely no point does this show that humans have ever come from anything other than humans.

How does it not show it that "humans ever came from anything else"? In what way does it not show it? Where is your evidence? Where is the data? Research? Anything?
Saying that you don't agree with somthing is not enough here.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:17 PM

Where is the evidence supporting your assertion?
How does it not show it that "humans ever came from anything else"? In what way does it not show it? Where is your evidence? Where is the data? Research? Anything?
Saying that you don't agree with somthing is not enough here.

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Easy, the top row can be shown side by side with Chimpanzee skulls to prove my point.

The lower row of skulls can be shown side by side with Aboriginie skulls to prove my point.

Saying that these skulls show human evolution is simply not enough.

Also it should be known that different races of humans have different skull shapes and sizes. Caucasian skulls can be easily Identified from Aboriginie, and African skulls.

This shows that Homo sapiens have different variations within the kind. This all goes along with the Breeding process. All the same species, but different breeds.

All humans are one complete well defined species/kind. Each human has their distinct differences. All fully capable of successful reproduction. Meaning each and every one is of the same species which most definetly = Homo sapien.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:24 PM

Oldstyle, you have to prove how it does support. You presented your "evidence" so you need to explain how it is "evidence."
But of course, back on topic people.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:29 PM

You have never been so rude?  I simply stated a fact.  Read it this time and then reply.
Maybe the bold will help you?  I made no conclusions.  So I ask, whom is being ignorant?

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I certainly meant no offense with my statement, so please accept my humble apology on that.

I have been following your posts for a while now, and I certainly would not say that you are un-educated willfully or otherwise.

My reply to your post was simply saying that just because we don't understand something it doesn't mean that it could not happen.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:39 PM

Easy, the top row can be shown side by side with Chimpanzee skulls to prove my point.

The lower row of skulls can be shown side by side with Aboriginie skulls to prove my point.

Saying that these skulls show human evolution is simply not enough.

Once again, saying that you "do not agree with the evidence" is simply not enough. You need to provide data/research to back up your assertions. The evidence that has been provided contains large amounts of reference and source materials available for you to cross reference, check results and do your own research.

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Reference materials for evidence of Human evolution Where may we view the evidence of the claims that you have just made refuting the Smithsonian materials?

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:41 PM

Once again, saying that you "do not agree with the evidence" is simply not enough. You need to provide data/research to back up your assertions. The evidence that has been provided contains large amounts of reference and source materials available for you to cross reference, check results and do your own research.  Reference materials for evidence of Human evolution Where may view the evidence of the claims that you have just made refuting the Smithsonian materials?

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I've already done the research, and seen the skulls. You may want to think about that for awhile. The relationship of the skulls as I stated still stands.

Plus it should be noted that many of the articles you presented have nothing to do with Human evolution or the facts of the relationships of the skulls.

Also, if you attempt to even suggest that I reply to every single article that you presented in your post, then that will not be happening. If you would like to go over each article one by one, and in their appropriate thread, then I would very much so do that. Anything other, would be gravely going off-topic.

Remember the topic of this thread is the evolution of the EYE. A homosapien thread already exist, and we are free to discuss this further there. Actually several exist I believe.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:48 PM

I've already done the research, and seen the skulls.

Ok, In what way does this show the provided evidence to be wrong? May I see the research?

Plus it should be noted that many of the articles you presented have nothing to do with Human evolution or the facts of the relationships of the skulls.

Which ones? From what I can see, After viewing most of them they show to be relevant to the subject at hand and cooborate and verify the Smithsonians presented evidence.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:52 PM

Ok, In what way does this show the provided evidence to be wrong? May I see the research? Which ones? From what I can see, After viewing most of them they show to be relevant to the subject at hand and cooborate and verify the Smithsonians presented evidence.

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I was hoping that you knew which ones were specific to human evolution ( such is clear that some have topics pertaining to Dinosaur to Bird evolution). Maybe you should post these in the appropriate thread so we can discuss human evolution there.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:57 PM

1st of all, it's obvious by the way they look. Research doesn't matter in this case, you can use your own eyes.

2nd of all, BACK ON TOPIC.
scott, he's just waiting for you to post so he can make excuses for going off topic.
If you want to discuss this, do it somewhere else. This thread is about the trochlea and how it proves evolution wrong.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 09:58 PM

I

was hoping that you knew which ones were specific to human evolution ( such is clear that some have topics pertaining to Dinosaur to Bird evolution). Maybe you should post these in the appropriate thread so we can discuss human evolution there.

As I said, it's all relative. If you are more comfortable discussing this part of the discussion in another thread then by all means lead the way. May I then see your "Evidence" and "research" that refute and/or disprove the evidence that you have been provided regarding Human evolution?

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 10:00 PM

1st of all, it's obvious by the way they look. Research doesn't matter, you can use your own eyes

. Research doesn't matter?? :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 10:03 PM

I meant specifically when looking at the skulls. Don't play with words here, you know what I meant.

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Posted 20 December 2009 - 10:03 PM

I As I said, it's all relative. If you are more comfortable discussing this part of the discussion in another thread then by all means lead the way. May I then see your "Evidence" and "research" that refute and/or disprove the evidence that you have been provided regarding Human evolution?

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Alls you need to do is look at a Chimpanzee skull, and an Aboriginie skull. O.K. since you don't understand that this is not the appropriate thread for this discussion then I will single handedly create a new thread ( what a brilliant Idea) about human evolution.

But such a thread will have to wait until tomorrow, because I have to get some sleep. If you want to make a new thread about human evolution yourself then I believe that would be ok too. I just don't have the time to upload pictures of Aboriginie and Chimpanzee skulls. My computer skills are not so sufficient, that I can present links, and pictures at a increasingly fast speed.




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