I am curious as to how the species diversity and distribution seen in the world today fits in with the flood theory. My understanding of NoahÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ark and the flood are based on some assumptions, so IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d like to mention those right away. If I am wrong, please correct me.
Hello Isabella. I think we have chatted before. I just found this thread. Discussing Noah and the creation week are two of my favorties. People are rather limited when they consider them so it is fun to get their thoughts moving along. I am answering your first post without reading beyond it first so my appologies for any repetition.
1. The ark contained two of every kind, both plant and animal.
Animals-Pairs of the unlcean and 14 (7 male, 7 female) of the clean. This is not an assessment of hygeine. It has to do with their worth for sacrifice. Plants-I olny find God suggesting that Noah prepare for the journey, not for the husbandry of future fields. Noah probably just stowed all the grain etc. that he could after calculating the spcae the animals required.
No plants were required for future crops. The seeds would spread quite well without human intervention. In fact we could not hope to equate the dispersion the flood would acheive.
2. Any terrestrial organisms not on the ark were killed during the flood.
That is what is claimed, nothing on the land survived. I could argue that maybe a squirrel on tree filled with his winter collection might have survived and include oher such circumstances. But I think God had a better plan than chance.
3. As the flood receded, it is believed the ark came to rest atop Mount Ararat, Turkey.
This is a point to allow some speculation. Where was Mt. Ararat? The Earth had just undergone a major cataclysm. YEC's believe this is where much of our planets dramatic geography originated. I believe that prior to the flood the geography of Earth was rather plain in comparison, and there was only one continent.
Was this Mt. Ararat named so because of soem feature that Noah recalled? Was it named for its height? Did God just tell Noah to call it Ararat? And is it the Ararat in today's Turkey? To the last, probably, but I really don't think it matters. The historicity of the Bible does align with human population tracking. Both genentically and geographically, humanity seems to have begun in this region.
There is a staggering amount of biodiversity on our planet. Functional ecosystems can be found everywhere, from the arctic tundra to underground caves. Many of these organisms possess very specific adaptations, and can only thrive in a narrow range of conditions. After the flood, all terrestrial life would have been contained within the ark. This implies that the repopulation of every continent and island on Earth started from a single location: Turkey.
I am not sure if it was Gomer's and Javan's decendants but there is the first mention in the Bible of islands, and it is clear there were people "dispersed" to them. Maybe the continents were still clsoe enough for easy access. Maybe they set out on the ocean to find new shores. This is about 2000 BC, only two generations after the flood, about 50 years. Plenty of time for the plants dispersed by the flood to have taken root and formed new bioshperes.
When I think of habitats with high biodiversity, places like the Amazon rainforest come to mind. Certainly not Turkey. So how exactly did all of these organisms get distributed to their respective habitats after the flood? Was there human intervention, or was everything just left to go where it pleased?
Because it matters little, Turkey is an acceptable starting point. We also must agree that we don't know what Turky looked like. Might not have been the arid land of 2010. But it matters not. We need to get those animals spread about the globe. I believe there was orignally only one continent but that changed with the flood. Continental drift is well documented and in no doubt. What was the drfit rate then? I doubt a valid claim can be made. The world was settling in to some news parameters.
From Genesis 10:
1 These are the descendants of Noah's sons. Shem, Ham and Japheth; these are their sons who were born after the flood.
2 Japheth's sons: Gomer, Magog, the Medes, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, Tiras.
3 Gomer's sons: Ashkenaz, Riphath, Togarmah.
4 Javan's sons: Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittim, the Dananites.
5 These were dispersed and peopled the islands of the nations.
If it was humans who were responsible for sorting this out, then why do we see rich biodiversity on islands that are void of human life?
What unfortunate person was dealt the task of taking the grizzly bears and mountain lions to North America? How exactly did the delicate plants, animals and insects of the Amazon get shuttled halfway around the world?
Humans went there, did not like it after and left a while or died out. The animals had no human competition and populated that much mmore aggressivley. No hunters.
Obvioulsy they have adapted to the region and become "delicate". All the animals would have started from very basic and hardy ancestors and over time micro-evolution would give them advantage in the regions they each developed in.
If humans were not responsible, then why do we see certain groups of animals restricted to very specific regions? Why are there so many marsupials in Australia, but none in Europe or Asia? Why is the Galapagos tortoise found only on the Galapagos Islands? Why arenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t there penguins at the North Pole? Or polar bears in Antarctica? Oh, and also keep in mind that even if everything is somehow Ã¢â‚¬Å“deliveredÃ¢â‚¬Â to where it belongs, there will not be a functional habitat waiting when it gets there.
Answers in reverse of queries;
Second - yes the habitats have had 50 years of unfettered developement. No animals, maybe no eeven bugs, to slow down vegetation.
First - Exactly because humans were doing the dispersing. If I populated the animals of North America, I would not have brought cats along. Human preference dictated the animal populations.
I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think of a way that this could have happened, especially not in the relatively short amount of time that has elapsed since the flood... less than 6000 years, I believe?
About 4000 years, but there are many studies which indicate it is not a difficult task. Remember, Evo's and YEC's agree on the operation on micro-evolution to fill a region with diverse populations from basic stock organisms. It is logial to assume that in the years closely following the flood, diversity would have blossomed because there was little to deter variation. Also, YEC's contend that the original organisms were superior in genetics to waht exists today, allowing for more diversity than we could get through husbandry today.
However, biodiversity can be explained quite nicely through evolution and Pangea. Plus our longer timeline, which doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t limit everything to a few thousand years. I think this suggests a flaw in the flood theory, but IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d like to hear what creationists have to say. How do you explain the distribution of species throughout the world?
I'll add a bit of magic here, just for fun, I am content to stand with the arguments I made above. Following the destruction of the Tower of Babel, God dispersed humanity to the four corners of the planet. This could easily be taken to grant that God used a miraclulous teleporter to populate the distant portions of the planet. God, being a caring creator, would not send those people to new countries without animals.
So, you now have both sciency and miraculopus possibilities. What say you?