In my opinion, this thread has been sidetracked. If you would like to discuss the possibilities of thermal heat dispersion in the atmosphere there is a new subject button.
The emphasis of this thread was to discuss the possibilities of free water under the earth. Namely water 620 miles under eastern Asia "the size of the Arctic Ocean."
I would like to deal with a few statements that Wysesson makes to, in my opinion, explain away the possibility of free water under eastern Asia.
1. Although they appear solid, the composition of some ocean floor rocks is up to 15 percent water. Ã¢â‚¬Å“The water molecules are actually stuck in the mineral structure of the rock,Ã¢â‚¬Â Wysession explained.
First, his statement of "up to15%" water in ocean rocks is misleading. In the next paragraph it says: The researchers estimate that up to 0.1 percent of the rock sinking down into the EarthÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s mantle in that part of the world is water, which works out to about an Arctic OceanÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s worth of water.
The insertion of 15% water in some rocks is 150 times the average.
2. Again-- a. Ã¢â‚¬Å“The water molecules are actually stuck in the mineral structure of the rock,Ã¢â‚¬Â Wysession explained. And-- b. "The water then rises up into the overlying region, which becomes saturated with water [image]. Ã¢â‚¬Å“It would still look like solid rock to you,Ã¢â‚¬Â Wysession told LiveScience. Ã¢â‚¬Å“You would have to put it in the lab to find the water in it.Ã¢â‚¬Â"
It is clear here that Wysesson is speaking of the water that has arrived to the "overlying region." I contend he is using the knowledge of hydrated minerals as an argument for his case. The reason is that he says the water "...rises up into the overlying region, which becomes saturated with water....It would still look like solid rock to you...you would have to put it in the lab to find it."
Because rock has water in the mineral structure does not mean it is saturated.
Look at the following list of hydrated minerals. These are minerals that have water molecules stuck in them. This list is not exhaustive.
# Allophane (Hydrated Aluminum Silicate)
# Apophyllite (Hydrated Potassium Sodium Calcium Silicate Hydroxide Fluoride)
# Bannisterite (Hydrated Potassium Calcium Manganese Iron Zinc Aluminum Silicate Hydroxide)
# Carletonite (Hydrated Potassium Sodium Calcium Silicate Carbonate Hydroxide Fluoride)
# Cavansite (Hydrated Calcium Vanadate Silicate)
# Chrysocolla (Hydrated Copper Aluminum Hydrogen Silicate Hydroxide)
# The Clay Group:
* Illite (Hydrated Potassium Aluminum Magnesium Iron Silicate Hydroxide)
* Montmorillonite (Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminum Magnesium Silicate Hydroxide)
* Palygorskite (Hydrated Magnesium Aluminum Silicate Hydroxide)
* Sauconite (Hydrated Sodium Zinc Aluminum Silicate Hydroxide)
* Vermiculite (Hydrated Magnesium Iron Aluminum Silicate Hydroxide)
# Delhayelite (Hydrated Sodium Potassium Calcium Aluminum Silicate Chloride Fluoride Sulfate)
# Elpidite [Hydrated Sodium Zirconium Silicate]
# Fedorite [Hydrated Potassium Sodium Calcium Silicate Hydroxide Fluoride]
# Franklinphilite (Hydrated Potassium Manganese Aluminum Silicate)
# Gyrolite [Hydrated Calcium Silicate Hydroxide]
# Leucosphenite [Hydrated Barium Sodium Titanium Boro-silicate]
# The Mica Group:
# Minehillite [Hydrated Potassium Sodium Calcium Zinc Aluminum Silicate Hydroxide]
# Pentagonite (Hydrated Calcium Vanadate Silicate)
# Rhodesite (Hydrated Calcium Sodium Potassium Silicate)
# The Serpentine Group:
# Wickenburgite (Hydrated Lead Calcium Aluminum Silicate)
# Zeophyllite [Hydrated Calcium Silicate Hydroxide Fluoride]
These are minerals we find in the crust. Hydrated means the water is separate from the crystalline atomic structure. It is between the mineral crystals.
So when Wysesson is speaking that water is "stuck in the mineral structure," of ocean rocks, he is speaking of hydrated minerals. There is absolutely no way around this except denial.
Point 1. Wysesson is saying that rocks with water stuck in their mineral structure are responsible for the slowing and dampening (attenuation) of seismic (earthquake caused) waves 620 miles under eastern Asia.
Point 2. Rock with water that can not be detected except by a lab is no different than crustal rock that contains hydrated minerals. So the explanation of rock saturation in the "overlying regions" is very weak indeed.
Before we can hypothesize HOW free water got there, one needs to admit that free water is there. This is good science. You acknowledge evidence and then go on to hypothesis.
You've said things pretty well. One "rock" we're all familiar with is Portland cement-based Concrete. It's one of the most common building materials, yet it is not commonly understood how it works.
Although the terms cement and concrete often are used interchangeably, cement is actually an ingredient of concrete. Concrete is basically a mixture of aggregates and paste. The aggregates are sand and gravel or crushed stone; the paste is water and portland cement. Concrete gets stronger as it gets older. Portland cement is not a brand name, but the generic term for the type of cement used in virtually all concrete, just as stainless is a type of steel and sterling a type of silver. Cement comprises from 10 to 15 percent of the concrete mix, by volume. Through a process called hydration, the cement and water harden and bind the aggregates into a rocklike mass. This hardening process continues for years meaning that concrete gets stronger as it gets older.
Curing is one of the most important steps in concrete construction, because proper curing greatly increases concrete strength and durability. Concrete hardens as a result of hydration: the chemical reaction between cement and water. However, hydration occurs only if water is available and if the concrete's temperature stays within a suitable range. During the curing period-from five to seven days after placement for conventional concrete-the concrete surface needs to be kept moist to permit the hydration process. new concrete can be wet with soaking hoses, sprinklers or covered with wet burlap, or can be coated with commercially available curing compounds, which seal in moisture.
Portland cement is a hydraulic cement which means that it sets and hardens due to a chemical reaction with water. Consequently, it will harden under water.
(Bold supplied by CTD)Source
It is commonly thought that concrete hardens because the water is removed. This is the opposite of what actually happens.
Research shows that concrete continuously moist cured for a period of 28 days resulted in compressive strengths exceeding 4,500 psi. Yet, the same concrete air cured for the same period achieved only 2,550 psi. Furthermore, the compressive strengths at 180 days were actually lower for the air cured concrete, 2,500 psi, where the continuously moisture cured concrete achieved an ultimate compressive strength of over 5,750 psi.
"Scientific Principles" (of concrete) link:http://matse1.mse.ui...crete/prin.html
If you think about it, why should water be any different than other compounds that go into forming a mineral? Such minerals should not be thought of as "wet", either. It's not like you're going to squeeze the water out of them like a sponge. Perhaps a helpful analogy might be teeth and bones. Both of these contain water, although it's trapped in a solid structure.
The water incorporated into such structures is not going to behave like free water, obviously.