In other words you can't refute any of the evidence I have given you so far?Ã‚Â Because up till now you have only used the same argument over and over again that no one knows because we never been there and back.Ã‚Â
So far all you've given me is your estimate
for the distance to the sun.
Think about this (building on Falcone's question) for a moment.Ã‚Â When you look at a football field, do you really believe it's 100 yards just by looking at it? or do you walk out the whole 100 yards and measure it to be sure?Ã‚Â Of course not, you can look at the 10 yard designations and count up to 100.Ã‚Â There aren't yard line markers in space to show us distances, but there are other markers out that can be used as references.Ã‚Â Scientists have used those references to show us distances even if no one has physically measured them out.
A football field you can estimate to be around 100 yards, but you won't get the precise
figure, it could be 97, 98 or 101 yards. With things that are far bigger, and further away you can't use this sort of reasoning or analogy because your estimates will be out by hundreds of thousands or even millions of miles. Note the following estimates for the distance of the sun to the earth:
Copernicus 3, 391, 200 miles
Kepler 12, 376, 800 miles
Ric-ciola 27, 360,000 miles
Newton 28,000,000 miles
Martin 82,000,000 miles
Dilworth 93, 726, 900 miles
Mayer 104, 000, 000 miles
There is a gap here of 101 millions miles. That's not the same as 2 or 3 yards of a football pitch. The point is astronomers can only estimate the distance from us to the sun because it is so far away and no one has ever traveled it. These estimates have the risk of being so far off, as i said millions of miles.
If you really think that the evidence I have shown is refutable then refute it.Ã‚Â Don't just scoff at it and plug your ears and use what if's.Ã‚Â Use actual logic and reasoning to show me why that evidence is wrong.Ã‚Â Anyone can point fingers and make false claims without any backing whatsoever.Ã‚Â Otherwise I am going to take the work of current scientists over skepticism.Ã‚Â At least regarding the distance to the sun.
That's the problem here. You don't question anything and just blindly follow what you find on the internet. Say the internet did not exist, and you didn't read anyone elses estimate, how far would you calculate the distance of the sun from us?
Speaking of which yes many atheists are skeptics.Ã‚Â What we are skeptical of are things that don't make sense to us.Ã‚Â However, NASA isn't the one telling me that the sun is 93 million miles away.Ã‚Â Empirical observations & data are telling me that.
What empirical observations?
It does makes sense to me that if the sun is 865,000 miles in diameter and appears a thumb wide in the sky that it's probably farther away than a few thousand miles.
Why does it make more sense?
In fact the opposite is true. Common sense actually argues that the sun is a small object in the sky which moves around the earth, since this is what we personally observe with our own eyes everyday.
To be honest, and I mean no disrespect, this is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard regarding the size of the sun.Ã‚Â If the sun were resting almost against the earth those analogies would apply.Ã‚Â However, we know the sun is quite a distance away so those analogies are silly at best.Ã‚Â If you took a mouse and an elephant and spaced them sufficiently apart (like the sun is from the earth).Ã‚Â Then looked at the elephant and placed the image of that the mouse it would fit.Ã‚Â
I don't wish this to develop into a heliocentric or geocentric debate. My point was simply that there is no way to know the distance of the sun from earth. All we can do is guess or make estimates.