I kind of feel like I am feeding the troll at this point but whatever...
A football field you can estimate to be around 100 yards, but you won't get the precise figure, it could be 97, 98 or 101 yards. With things that are far bigger, and further away you can't use this sort of reasoning or analogy because your estimates will be out by hundreds of thousands or even millions of miles. Note the following estimates for the distance of the sun to the earth:
Copernicus 3, 391, 200 miles
Kepler 12, 376, 800 miles
Ric-ciola 27, 360,000 miles
Newton 28,000,000 miles
Martin 82,000,000 miles
Dilworth 93, 726, 900 miles
Mayer 104, 000, 000 miles
There is a gap here of 101 millions miles. That's not the same as 2 or 3 yards of a football pitch. The point is astronomers can only estimate the distance from us to the sun because it is so far away and no one has ever traveled it. These estimates have the risk of being so far off, as i said millions of miles.
Again with the tired old argument, no one has traveled it, so we can never know how far it really is. Do you honestly have any other argument than that? At this point you should have been modded.
You started this thread with a false and a poorly thought out hypothesis. With absolutely no facts to support it, only assertions from a bygone era. A few thousand miles away is barely even out of the earth's atmosphere (The exosphere), much less past the orbit of the moon.
You give the same weight to Copernicus' measurements as you do modern astronomical tools. While that speaks volumes of your admiration of the man, it's hardly logical or reasonable to do so. The reasons measurements change like that more often than not are because the instruments become more precise. If I didn't know any better I would think you were simply arguing to save face at this point.
Yes there is a margin of error in just about any huge estimate. Yet that margin of error isn't based on previously inaccurate measurements. It's based on the inaccuracy of the instruments being used. Yes the distance between the earth and sun has a + or - of 0.02 AU. Guess how much that is though? A 2% variance, or 1.86 Million miles. In the grand scheme of things that's really pocket change. How about you give me all your money and keep 5 cents (because I am so generous and doubling the above) on every dollar and tell me how much you were left with?
That's the problem here. You don't question anything and just blindly follow what you find on the internet. Say the internet did not exist, and you didn't read anyone else's estimate, how far would you calculate the distance of the sun from us?
First you have made a huge judgment call about me that is completely unfounded. How do you know I haven't questioned it before? Because I am not agreeing with you now? You know absolutely nothing about me but you are assured that I am blindly following something.
Word to the wise, I spent most of my life studying science before well Windows 3.11 was around, much less before the internet became popular. Have you forgotten that some of us have a college education? I have also gotten books from Borders (Barnes & Nobles, etc...) on this subject as well as the local library. I watch documentaries on these subjects. I suppose that those are all lying to me as well? I suppose it's all some big conspiracy to put the sun farther away than it really is right?
If I had to measure the distance to the sun myself? I admit that I would probably have no idea even if I invested the time (and what money I could) to this venture. Of course that applies to proving to you that atoms have a nucleus of protons and neutrons. That bacteria is in GI tract helping me to digest food. That the ozone layer is really up there blocking UV radiation. There are just some things in life you have to rely on others for. Do I always accept others blindly? Of course not, but when multiple sources tell me the same thing over and over again they receive a little bit more credibility.
What empirical observations?
1. Distancing with radar: If you and were both to learn how to do this, we could both use the same radar instrument to get the same data of a test location.
2. Trigonometry: Both of us can do a trigonometric problem and both get the same result. Assuming we both do the right math.
Why does it make more sense?
In fact the opposite is true. Common sense actually argues that the sun is a small object in the sky which moves around the earth, since this is what we personally observe with our own eyes everyday.
Good, you can tell all those people who rely on common sense that they are wrong.
I don't wish this to develop into a heliocentric or geocentric debate.
You quoted from those circles of logic, so you must consider the entire belief in your arguments. Unless are admitting that you are quote mining.
My point was simply that there is no way to know the distance of the sun from earth. All we can do is guess or make estimates.
My point is that this whole thread began with the assertion that the stars started out only a few thousands of miles away. I countered with the point that not even our sun is that close to us. In fact other creationists have used the idea that if the earth were a hair closer to the sun the earth would be too hot for life. Are you calling them wrong too? 93 million miles or even 90 or even 50 million miles is an extremely large margin of error from a few thousand miles. Your initial hypothesis had more holes in it than Swiss cheese. Yet you have only back pedaled and used the same argument over and over again. Which really has boiled down to you saying, what if this or that is wrong? Providing no proof or logic of your own on why and how those things are wrong and gotten away with it. Then you went on to attack my character (which also has gone ignored) about how I just blindly follow what I am told.
FYI - Just because someone quotes something from the internet or links to a location (really the only way to provide proof in such a medium) doesn't mean it's their only source. It's simply out of convenience to you and the provider. Sure I could reference books or tell you to take a college class but seriously are you going to look it up or attend one? I highly doubt it (no matter how much you say you will).