I will be brief and include links, since I have been through this debate before, and it is OT.
I think that the scripture in Revelation that says, Ã¢â‚¬Å“They will be tormented day and night forever.Ã¢â‚¬Â (14:9-11) is what I used to think pointed to hell more than any other. What is interesting though, is that the worshipers of the wild beast are not always pictured as burned up or tormented. Revelation 19:21 shows the execution, being left unburied and being consumed by the birds. Rather than being buried as if meriting resurrection, their carcasses are left on the ground and carrion birds are to eat them. Therefore the images used by Christ Jesus are to show a terrible fate and a complete destruction, not a literal burning of a disembodied soul.
Exactly. Hellfire is a doctrine based on yet another unscriptural doctrine, the immortal soul. http://www.evolution...?showtopic=4078 http://www.msnbc.msn...s/us_news-life/
You didn't deal with the direct word of Christ (Matthew 25:41) about the Son of Man sitting on the judgement, and sending the unrighteous away into eternal fire "prepared for the devil and his angels." And in Revelation there are correlating verses (19:10; 20:10) that show Satan, the antichrist, and the false prophet being thrown into the "lake of fire." You remrked yourself that the smoke of their torment ascends forever.
Concerning the Isaiah passage you used to challenge Matthew 25:41. There are many examples of types and shadows of later revealed things in OT prophecies. Sometimes the Lord used earthly scenes or events in the prophecies, and then change to a spiritual or future event in the same passage. That's why there was controversy about Christ. The Pharisees and Saducess interpreted the prophecies a certain way, but they were wrong. I Peter 1:10, 11 says the prophets themselves did not fully understand the revelation of the new covenant that would come later, and searched to see what their prophecies meant.
Do you want to use an OT prophecy which contains type and shadow to explain away a direct statement of Christ? One is concealed truth, the latter is revealed truth--just like the manner of the OT and the NT is.
You say that hell is an unscriptual doctrine. I find this quite amazing, since the word "hell" appears over 50 times in the KJV, and in the OT it is always placed--as in "beneath" or "below." It sometimes speaks of fire or burning. This aligns with the words of Christ.
22For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.
New Testament aligns--remember that Revelation was given to John by Jesus himself.Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone
As for the immortal soul. If a man wants to challenge the scripture, that's up to him. I will choose God's word. Revelation 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
It is obvious the beast and the false prophet were men--flesh and blood, thrown "alive" into the lake of fire according to Revelation 19:20. But now in Rev. 20:10 Satan is thrown in also, where "they" shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. If the soul were not immortal, the beast and the false prophet would not be in hell with Satan forever!
That's why the psalmist rejoiced when he said in Psalm 16:10Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; nor wilt then give thy holy one to see corruption.
If the soul dies, how could his soul be left in hell (I realize some translations say Sheol, or the grave, but the point is the same)?