Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:52 PM
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Question: Does not blocking salvation with one sin make sin stranger then what Christ did on the cross? Yes or no. Besides why does the sin of the unsaved even count when they are already sealed in their fate?
This is like a judge telling a man already condemned of one crime to the death penalty that he is going to have him revived so he can die twice. Because the unsaved are already damned why count his sins when he's getting the "only judgment" for them? Sin does not begin to count until we are saved and have the ability to ask forgiveness and repent. This is why we are born into sin because sin has already condemned us until we accept Christ. Being born already damned for Hell what sin could make that worse?
Most of your posts to me are unsubstantiated accusations. I've answered every email you addressed to me?????????? If you want me to address anything, I will. You presented a laundry list of verses that support your position, and I wrote back that except for one Pauliine message (interpreted wrongly), all these verses were written under the law. Under the gospel of circumcision, if you salvation is future and contingent on whether you keep that law, then it logically flows that you can lose your salvation. But if you are saved by grace plus nothing, then OSAS makes sense. I submit that it is you, Ikester, who does not want to address my central argument.
You accuse me of on basing my posts on scripture--which was untrue. But here in this post, you wrote what sounded good to you with no scripture. And I can show that what you posted is ungrounded. Read on:
Now in answer to your questions on this post. Why count his sins? Because God does, and some will be "beaten with few stripes and some with many."
The Punishment Fits the Crime
God’s criminal justice system alone should tell us that all sins are not equal. Understand first that all sins are not crimes (coveting for example). But all crimes are sins. A study of God’s criminal justice system reveals that punishment is according to the seriousness of the crime. This shows that our God is a just and righteous God. The First Commandment is the most serious: “Thou shall have no other Gods before Me.” The punishment for this is eternal separation in Hell. God commanded the death penalty for serious crimes such as murder (Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14; 20:13; Lev. 24:17, 21; Num. 35:16-21; Deut. 19:11-13), kidnapping (Ex. 21:16; Deut. 24:7), rape of an engaged or married woman (Deut. 22:22-25), h*m*s*xuality (Lev. 18:22 & 29; 20:13), b*stiality (Ex. 22:19; Lev. 20:15-16), false witness in a capital crime(Deut. 19:16-21; Ex. 20:16), killing a baby in the womb (Ex. 21:21), death in the commission of a crime (Ex. 21:22-23), criminal negligence resulting in death (Ex. 21:28-30; Deut. 22:8), and incest (Lev. 20:11-21). It should be pointed out that there were several symbolic laws for which God demanded the death penalty. Some of these were breaking the Sabbath law, witchcraft, hitting your parents, false prophet, and blasphemy. These laws were for Israel only, were neither moral nor immoral, and are not for the Body of Christ today.
Punishment for theft is according to the value, recoverability, and replacement of the stolen property. If the stolen goods were recovered in good condition, then the thief had to make restitution to his victim of two times the value of the stolen property (Ex. 22:4, 7-9; 20:15). If the stolen goods had been sold and are unrecoverable, then four times the value was made to the victim (Ex. 22:1). Your grandfather’s WW 1 rifle which is sentimental required a restitution of five times the value (Ex. 22:1).
Minor crimes, such as public intoxication, were punished by flogging. It goes without saying that without Jesus Christ as our Savior, any sin, small or large, will send us to hell. But the punishment will fit the crime. Read on.
Who Had the Greater Sin?
Jesus, answering Pilate, said: “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin” (John 19:11). Judas sat at Jesus’ feet for three years. Jesus said, “To shom much is given much is expected.” The High Priest of Israel will receive a much harsher punishment than the Jew not in authority. The High Priest sat in Moses’ seat. “Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover” (John 18:28). While God will judge the whole world, He will hold Israel as a nation to a higher standard than He will the Romans for example. Much was given to Israel. God gave them His Law, prophesies, revelation of Himself. Although God has given the whole world general knowledge of Himself through His creation, Israel had received special revelation and knowledge of Him. And the high priest was tasked to reveal God to Israel. As the leader, he should have known that this was Israel’s Promised One. Instead, he was concerned about not defiling himself so he could celebrate Passover by killing a substitute Passover lamb. Ironically, the true Passover Lamb, Jesus Christ, was standing before him. How sad!
Better a Millstone Be Hung Around Your Neck
In Matthew 18:6, Jesus said, “But whoever causes one of these little ones [innocent children] who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Why does Jesus deem this sin so terrible? Because the effects are tragic. Sinning yourself is serious. But sinning yourself and getting someone else to sin who will then get another to sin is tragic beyond words. h*m*sexuals who introduce young boys into the homo life style will reap a greater condemnation. Their young victims will then possibly grow up to molest other young victims. Jesus scolded the scribes and Pharisees with, “For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves” (Mat. 23:15). Some will go to hell all by themselves. Others will take an army with them.
Woe to You Scribes and Pharisees
In Matthew 23:14, Jesus warned the scribes and Pharisees that they will receive the “greater condemnation.” He then calls them hypocrites, sons of hell, blind guides, blind, fools, law breakers, whitewashed tombs full of dead mens’ bones and uncleanness, sons of those who murdered the prophets, serpents, brood of vipers, murderers. And, after calling them all these names, he said, “…that on you may come all the righteous bloodshed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah. . .” (Mat. 23:35). Today, if Jesus made a “Woe to the Pharisees’ Sermon” He would be kicked out of most Christian churches for being too harsh.
Beaten With Few and Many Stripes
Jesus warned in Luke 12 that some will be beaten with few stripes and some with many stripes. “And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few… For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required. . .” (Luke 12:47-48). God does not hold all equally responsible. A military officer who has graduated from West Point is held to a higher standard than a boot camp trainee. A police officer trained to uphold the law should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen.
More Tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah on Judgment Day
Jesus warned whole cities that they would receive greater condemnation than the evil h*m*sexuals in Sodom and Gomorrah: “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. . . . But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you” (Mat. 11:21-24).
Mix Her a Double
In the Book of Revelation, we read of the punishment for Babylon: “For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her” (Rev. 18:5-6).
Teachers Are Held to a Higher Standard
James warns not to become a teacher lest you are aware that God will hold you to a higher standard. “My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment” (James 3:1). The effects of false or erroneous teaching can have serious, far reaching consequences. And, the more important a matter, the more serious the damage. A false teaching on baptism can hurt, but a false teaching like “there are many paths to God” or “God will save everyone,” can mean countless lost souls.
TV evangelist Hagee teaches falsely that the Jews can be saved separately from Jesus through Moses. But Paul teaches that in the Body of Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, slave nor free. The Jew today is saved by accepting Jesus Christ. “No man comes to the Father except through Me.”
And then there are the teachers that Paul mentions in Romans 1:18 that “who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.” For example, the science teacher who knowingly teaches false evolution, the news caster who suppresses the truth because of bias, Planned Parenthood employees who teach that the babies are not persons, Christian leaders who say we should accept and love h*m*sexuals will receive harsher condemnation. This teaching is 180 degrees opposite God’s command to put h*m*sexuals to death. Christians should tell h*m*sexuals the truth. Then they have reason to repent. Why should they repent when Christians tell them they are most wonderful?
And we are not born into sin. Before the Cross, all died in Adam. Jesus paid for Adam's sin. So now we are accountable for our own sins. Children are innocent and do not have the "knowledge of good and evil" (Deut. 1:39).
“I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment [law] came, sin revived and I died.” Rom. 7:9 When was Paul alive without the law? When he was too young to be under it and condemned by it.
In those days they shall say no more: “The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge.” But everyone shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats [his own] sour grapes his teeth shall be set on edge. Jer. 31:29-30
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” 1 Cor. 15:22
When does the law pass away? The law passes away for each of us individually with we accept Jesus in accordance with Romans 10:8-10. When we make this confession of faith and believe in our hearts, the Holy Spirit baptizes us into the Body of Christ where we are "SEALED." We are taken out from under the condemnation of the law because Jesus nailed the law to the Cross. And where there is no law, there is no condemnation. I purposely omitted Bible references in this paragraph. Why? I'll let you look them up in Paul's letters since you don't believe anything I'm posting.