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#1 gilbo12345

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:20 AM

Had someone on Youtube tell me that the US supreme court has declared Atheism and secular humanism is a religion and will be protected as such. http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/ http://catholicexcha...ism-a-religion/

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:54 AM

It postulated belief statements. It says things about the origins, purposefulness of the universe, living beings and humans. It for sure is a religion. They just do not like it, if you tell them or when it doesn't suit them for a couple of reasons.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:40 AM

Atheism has ALWAYS been a belief system/philosophy/worldview... What makes it a religion is in HOW FAR its adherents will will go to defend their belief system/philosophy/worldview!

We have to ask ourselves:

What do we believe?
Why do we believe it?
What can we prove (evidences) to support our belief system/philosophy/worldview?

So, what does the Atheist believe?

1- There IS NO God/gods!
2- The universe is ALL THERE IS!
3- There is NOTHING beyond the materialistic!

But, what can they prove (evidences) to support our belief system/philosophy/worldview?

1- The honest atheist will admit that they cannot prove much of any of it!
The ONLY evidence he/she has that there is NO God/gods is that the have never PERSONALLY met or talked to and God/gods... This, of course is not evidence that there is no God/gods, but it's all the atheist has! Which begs the question: if the atheist has never seen a "black hole" or a star "being born", why do they "Believe" such things exist? The answer, the do so from "Faith".

The ONLY evidence they have for their claim that he 'universe is ALL THERE IS' is solely based upon the fact that they have only physically observed a minute fraction of it. They HAVE NOT been beyond the edges of the universe, therefore they are taking their proposition TOTALLY on "Faith". Further, there are many logical and verifiable (validated scientific) evidences that the Universe CANNOT be ALL THERE IS! So they have this conundrum as well!

They totally fail in the argument that "There is NOTHING beyond the materialistic!"... We have innumerable evidence of the immaterial (metaphysical),! Such as The "Laws of Logic", the "Laws of Mathematics" (etc...) which are "Self-evident" and yet CANNOT be physically verified with the scientific method ! In fact, the 'scientific method' cannot be physically verified with the scientific method! These evidence alone pull apart the foundations of atheistic reasoning.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

So, what we find at forums like this one, is that MANY atheists display their religiosity by their argumentation here!

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:13 AM

Righto. Turns out that any ideas that affect how we treat our fellow humans is our religion. Religion, belief system, world view, philosophy[/b] share the same core meaning--a comprehensive set of instructions to the self of how to interface with our environment including our fellow man...

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:37 AM

I recall court cases were atheists insisted on certain rights, stemming from the fact that atheism is a religious belief.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

There are atheist religions. Buddhism, for example, is considered a religion, but it does not have any gods. It is just a system of beliefs. I suppose we're going to have to have a more solid definition of what constitutes as religion.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:02 PM

There are atheist religions. Buddhism, for example, is considered a religion, but it does not have any gods. It is just a system of beliefs. I suppose we're going to have to have a more solid definition of what constitutes as religion.

Buddhism being a Religion is the argument I use when atheists insist that being a Religion requires belief in a deity. It actually supports the claim that atheism is a Religion :)

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

There are atheist religions. Buddhism, for example, is considered a religion, but it does not have any gods. It is just a system of beliefs. I suppose we're going to have to have a more solid definition of what constitutes as religion.


KTskater, religion doesn't require "God", "a god", or "gods", it simply requires a fervent adherence to a philosophical worldview, and a dogmatic defense of that worldview (apologetic) by its ardent followers.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

KTskater, religion doesn't require "God", "a god", or "gods", it simply requires a fervent adherence to a philosophical worldview, and a dogmatic defense of that worldview (apologetic) by its ardent followers.


This was the point that I was making.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:51 PM

Atheism is more of a cult than a religion youve got the cult leader (Dawkins) and his minions adhere blindly to every word that comes out of his mouth. There was a video of Dawkins preaching at a cult gathering on youtube and he says (regarding catholics) 'Do you really think the bread is Jesus body? Do you realllly think the wine is Jesus blood? If you meet someone who says this, mock them! Ridicule them.' Thats how serious the war is.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:36 PM

Atheism is more of a cult than a religion youve got the cult leader (Dawkins) and his minions adhere blindly to every word that comes out of his mouth. There was a video of Dawkins preaching at a cult gathering on youtube and he says (regarding catholics) 'Do you really think the bread is Jesus body? Do you realllly think the wine is Jesus blood? If you meet someone who says this, mock them! Ridicule them.' Thats how serious the war is.

I made a thread about the cult-like elements of atheism however it seems that there are more elements of a cult that are not compatible than are, (at least to some extent... in the case of extremists like Dawkins I would say he is almost like a cult leader)

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

ah k. Dawkins ( i see it this way anyway) is like the serpent in the Garden of Eden, trying to keep the truth of creation and the fall of man away from the world. He does a gooood job to id say

http://en.wikipedia....ht_of_Evolution yah so this is religion and worship

(Evolution) general condition to which all theories, all hypotheses, all systems must bow and which they must satisfy henceforward if they are to be thinkable and true. Evolution is a light which illuminates all facts, a curve that all lines must follow." p.219 of Phenomenon of Man

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:10 AM

Dogmatic adherence to postulate(s) is what sets them apart as a religion.

That it is a worked out scheme, has cult like features, even has its own creation myths, ethics, structures and institutions just makes it more clear.

I mean they call themselves atheists and even fill this in under "religion" on forms. Still they don't like to be pointed out that theirs is a religion. Then they come up with cop outs like "Bald is not a hair color"; "not collecting stamp isn't a hobby", etc.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:01 AM

hahahaah yep

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:27 AM

There are atheist religions. Buddhism, for example, is considered a religion, but it does not have any gods. It is just a system of beliefs. I suppose we're going to have to have a more solid definition of what constitutes as religion.

This was the point that I was making.


Your explanation seems a little like a dish cooked, yet missing some important ingredient. It needed a little more refinement, or expansion of definition, without getting too wordy.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:32 AM

Atheism is more of a cult than a religion youve got the cult leader (Dawkins) and his minions adhere blindly to every word that comes out of his mouth. There was a video of Dawkins preaching at a cult gathering on youtube and he says (regarding catholics) 'Do you really think the bread is Jesus body? Do you realllly think the wine is Jesus blood? If you meet someone who says this, mock them! Ridicule them.' Thats how serious the war is.


A cult is a religion nonetheless Sammy. Its simply a sect from what many from a mainstream religion would consider "misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader" (I know, fits within your post, and yet dose not delineate between the words 'religion' and 'cult').

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:39 AM

A cult is a religion nonetheless Sammy. Its simply a sect from what many from a mainstream religion would consider "misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader" (I know, fits within your post, and yet dose not delineate between the words 'religion' and 'cult').

So in effect anti-theists (like Dawkins) is a cult from the Religion of Atheism. Though unfortunately I think many atheists wouldn't think that they are "extreme" however.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:52 AM

Its simply a sect from what many from a mainstream religion would consider "misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader"


looool yep

So in effect anti-theists (like Dawkins) is a cult from the Religion of Atheism. Though unfortunately I think many atheists wouldn't think that they are "extreme" however.


Yep, the thing with Dawkins, he doesnt even have to believe what hes saying (im not saying hes a closet YEC haha) but he has an expectation put upon him by his followers ie show up say "The distance between (some 2 points in America) is xyz and YEC is the equivalent of saying its (some miniscule distance)" "Evolution via natural selection this" Evolution via natural selection that" "Blah blah blah flying spaghetti monsters (though im not sure he still uses that)" He has found himself a niche (as cult leader #1)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:12 AM

looool yep Yep, the thing with Dawkins, he doesnt even have to believe what hes saying (im not saying hes a closet YEC haha) but he has an expectation put upon him by his followers ie show up say "The distance between (some 2 points in America) is xyz and YEC is the equivalent of saying its (some miniscule distance)" "Evolution via natural selection this" Evolution via natural selection that" "Blah blah blah flying spaghetti monsters (though im not sure he still uses that)" He has found himself a niche (as cult leader #1)

How do you know he doesn't believe what he is saying?





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