A math problem

Before you grab your calculators it isn't that kind of problem. It isn't a math "**problem**" it is a "**math**" problem. The problem is with** math**.

The insights from this thread come from a video by Dr. Jason Lisle who is an astrophysicist with a Ph.D. from the University of Colorado at Boulder. He is a great speaker in my opinion. He interjects humor and never speaks down to his audience. The video is incredible and I would highly recommend it. It is lengthy but not boring at all. If at all possible watch the video, you wont regret it.

Where did math come from? Is there a secular explanation?

What is math? *Math is the study of the relationships between numbers*.

What are numbers? That sounds simple but it may be harder than expected. There are different answers but a good one is that *numbers are a concept of quantity*.

Numbers are abstract in nature and not physical. They exist in the mind.

Written numbers are not numbers but representations of numbers. Laws of math are conceptual, they exist in the mind.**Where did the laws of math come from? Did the laws of mathematics evolve?**

They did not evolve because they do not change! You cannot explain math by evolution. When it comes to math everyone is a creationist.

Were laws of math created by people? We didn't create numbers, numbers existed before people did. The planets in the way they orbit the sun follow Kepler's law. But Kepler didn't make those laws - he discovered them. The mathematic formulas existed before people discovered them.

Laws of mathematics are conceptual, universal, invariant, exceptionless entites.

These facts are in harmony with the Creationist/Christian world view but present a problem with the naturalist/evolutionist world view.

To sum up, laws of mathematics exist in the mind. They are conceptual. The laws of mathematics existed before people. They are not the product of the human mind!

There was a mind before the human mind and I submit that it is the mind of God.