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#1 Air-run

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:49 AM

Hey all,

 

I have a friend on facebook who posts harsh comments now and then about contemporary Christian music.  I've been hesitant about starting a conversation with him about these views because the last time I addressed one of his issues, the conversation ran into several roadblocks concerning his specific beliefs (such as KJV only).

 

However, he just recently posted several videos of him and a group from his church doing megaphone style "evangelism" outside a Christian concert.  His comment is that everyone going to the event is a "so-called Christian" but is really a child of the devil.

 

This is a bit much, from my point of view.

 

I've decided to question him on these views.

 

Does anyone share his beliefs?  Or does anyone have any suggestions as to how to talk about this with him.  The only thing I can gather so far is that he thinks CCM feeds your flesh - and that is bad.

 

 



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 01:20 AM

Hey all,

 

I have a friend on facebook who posts harsh comments now and then about contemporary Christian music.  I've been hesitant about starting a conversation with him about these views because the last time I addressed one of his issues, the conversation ran into several roadblocks concerning his specific beliefs (such as KJV only).

 

However, he just recently posted several videos of him and a group from his church doing megaphone style "evangelism" outside a Christian concert.  His comment is that everyone going to the event is a "so-called Christian" but is really a child of the devil.

 

This is a bit much, from my point of view.

 

I've decided to question him on these views.

 

Does anyone share his beliefs?  Or does anyone have any suggestions as to how to talk about this with him.  The only thing I can gather so far is that he thinks CCM feeds your flesh - and that is bad.

 

Well, I can definitely say I don't share his beliefs. When it comes to music, my preference is Christian Metal, to the point that you could say that I am a "headbanger" for life. In my experience, when someone is hung up about the "style" of music being used, it is usually because they themselves are all wrapped up in what you are doing in the flesh when you worship God (e.g. you have to be standing, or you have to be at the front of the service, or some other nonsense like that).

 

Or, even worse, they myopically equate what they feel when listening to a particular style of music with what everyone should feel.

To give an analogy:

"You don't like pineapple on your pizza? How can you say you like pizza if it doesn't have pineapple on it?"

 

The quickest refutation of that nonsense is John 4:21-24. The dispute between the Jews and the Samaritans in John 4 is where (in the flesh) you should worship God. Jesus showed the absurdity of that argument when He said in John 4:23 (KJV for your KJV only friend):

 

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

 

Worship of God is from the heart, not the flesh.



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:29 PM

I just finished listening to four sermons my friend sent me about rock music, such as this one:

 

http://www.sermonaud...ID=922131717127

 

He had a lot of quotes from secular rock stars and their use of rock music, but only a few Bible verses.  I think the verses were not properly interpreted.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:12 AM

This guy has an article on it

 

http://www.creationl...icles/music.php

 

i like his articles it gets me thinking, after reading them and thinking about it yeh i agree with him christian rock is weak as (he shows some references to songs and they make no mention of the words Jesus/God/sin so someone could be singing them to anyone). Thats my pov anyway after reading his article and thinking about it.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 07:42 AM

A funny thing. I have friends that think contemporary Christian music is not appropriate. However, because they like the style, they'll listen all day long to secular music. On the other hand, I've gone to the pains (actual my wife has. She's the music aficionado) of finding artists that both have a truthful uplifting God centered message and music that is pleasing. I don't have to struggle between Christian music that I like the message but don't like the tune and secular music that I don't like the message but like the tune because I can listen to Christian music that has both.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 05:11 PM

Personally for me the dividing line is what does the song focus on.

 

Many of the new school Christian songs I hear focus on the self

 

"I need"

"I want"

"I feel"

etc

 

 

Whereas the old school hymns (as far as I know) focus on God and Jesus

 

"Your gift"

"Your light"

"Your grace" 

etc

 

 

This isn't authorative in that a song can use "I" but still give the greater context to the works of God. I personally prefer hymns, I find them easier to sing to and I like to sing :)


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:50 AM



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 06:03 AM

Maybe we should use this thread to post CCM and everyone can give each one a thumbs up or a thumbs down...

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 06:03 AM



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 06:08 AM



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 06:14 AM



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Posted 16 March 2014 - 06:25 AM



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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:51 AM

Since this thread has gone quiet, I'll share some more of that CCM music for review...

One of my favorite bands right now...

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:51 AM



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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:24 PM

Considering we're discussing CCM being of the devil, and metal being considered satanic to the Nth degree, what says everyone about one of my favorite bands, War of Ages?

(HD w/ Lyrics) Salvation - War of Ages - Arise & :

(Make sure to read the lyrics before you judge! ;) )

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 03:23 PM

Considering we're discussing CCM being of the devil, and metal being considered satanic to the Nth degree, what says everyone about one of my favorite bands, War of Ages?

(HD w/ Lyrics) Salvation - War of Ages - Arise &

(Make sure to read the lyrics before you judge! wink.png )

 

biggrin.png Pretty good. Almost as good as my favorite...Extol (make sure you crank it up at the start tongue.png).

 



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Posted 21 May 2014 - 04:27 PM

 
biggrin.png Pretty good. Almost as good as my favorite...Extol (make sure you crank it up at the start tongue.png).
 

Not bad bones, not bad:

WAR OF AGES "All Consuming Fire" music video:

War Of Ages - Stand Your Ground:

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 04:31 PM

Lemme kick this up a half notch:

IMPENDING DOOM "There Will Be Violence" video:

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 04:45 PM

Or another one of my old favorites: Focal Point-Homicide

 



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Posted 21 May 2014 - 05:16 PM

Awwwww!!! My ears are bleeding!! :P




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