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Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:27 PM

Started thinking about this after seeing something on tv, and noticed birds coming back for the spring.

example: Monarch Migration

Here is creative commons licensed video of alot of Monarch Butterflies nesting on a bush.

https://commons.wiki...y_Migration.ogv, from https://commons.wikimedia.org

 

Here are three examples of some basic problems to overcome:

Food, temperature, and nesting, resting, or shelter

 

For bible believers also remembering sparrows

 

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 12:34 PM

Another problem for evos. is knowing when which requires intelligence.



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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:02 PM

Wouldn't both sides of the isle consider this adaptive behavior?

I find this more of a problem for the creationists.

Take the Monarch, according to the flood story, would it be correct to say that it was not created on the American continent with this migration instinct already hardwired, but rather would had to have spread from some basal form of butterfly?

Please explain to me how, using the creationist point of view, how the Monarch came to be on the Americas, and how it developed this instinct.



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:16 PM

Wouldn't both sides of the isle consider this adaptive behavior?

I find this more of a problem for the creationists.

Take the Monarch, according to the flood story, would it be correct to say that it was not created on the American continent with this migration instinct already hardwired, but rather would had to have spread from some basal form of butterfly?

Please explain to me how, using the creationist point of view, how the Monarch came to be on the Americas, and how it developed this instinct.

Insects are created fully formed and functional in the biblical creation worldview.  Genesis 1:24-25 talks about some animal creation.  Could natural selection be considered gene selection?  A handy peice of bible reader software is berbible.  The bible flood event doesn't require insects on the ark.  You mention basal [basic?] for butterfly. It's really different/difficult to look at species, families relationships when comparing the bible designed to evolution worldview.  What helps/helped me is to think of specially engineered entities all by the same designer.  



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 06:28 PM

Insects are created fully formed and functional in the biblical creation worldview. 

Before I can discuss this further, I would like to get a better understanding of how butterflies came about (according to the creationist model).

I'm thinking you would still say that there were just a few butterfly kinds during the flood, right?

And that the specific Monarch was not created on day one.

Is this correct or am I off on this?



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Posted 31 March 2014 - 12:48 PM

Before I can discuss this further, I would like to get a better understanding of how butterflies came about (according to the creationist model).

I'm thinking you would still say that there were just a few butterfly kinds during the flood, right?

And that the specific Monarch was not created on day one.

Is this correct or am I off on this?

no all kinds that hadn't died off after their creation, or during the flood.  Creation starting at approximately 4400 B.C.  I typed in 'timeline of the bible history pdf'' and got alot of hits; here is on that lists the flood before 2500 b.c.  http://biblehub.com/timeline/#sources

you'll want to notice that dates are estimated.



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 11:21 AM

So there were Monarchs in the Garden of Eden?

And those are the same species that we see today?

That is what I am understanding, but I don't think that is what you mean.

Forgive me if I am a bit slow catching on.







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