I did not know you were the only theistic evolutionist on site. Rather than you having to rehash your arguments with me, I will look to some of your former dialogues on this site. Perhaps I can respond to some of your former posts.
But, since you were kind enough to respond to me, I will address just one argument you make—the Flood being local. With respect, that’s very hard for me to swallow.
The Bible gives us specific details about the Flood itself. Scripture tells us that at the start of the Flood, “the fountains of the great deep were broken up and the windows of heaven were opened” (Gen. 7:11). The next verse says it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. These two verses give us the source of the water. Genesis 7:8-20 provides some interesting details of the Flood waters:
“The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth and all the high hills under the whole heavens were covered. The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward and the mountains were covered.”
Notice that it plainly says that even the mountains were covered. Once this happened, the Flood could not possibly be a local event. Why? Water will level itself out. Even if the Flood started in just the Mesopotamia (which it didn’t), it would have gone worldwide as soon as the mountains were covered.
Genesis 8:4 tells us that the ark came to rest on “the mountains of Ararat.” Admittedly, it does not say that it was specifically on Mt. Ararat. But it landed on a mountain in the region of Ararat (today’s eastern Turkey). And the point still remains, that the ark landed on a mountaintop. Obviously, the water level was such as to rule out a local flood. It was another two and a half months before the tops of the surrounding mountains were seen (Gen. 8:5). It is unarguable that the ark landed on the highest mountain in the region at that time.
Further, the duration of the Flood gives strong evidence to refute the local flood theory. I believe that many believers mistakenly assume that the rain lasted only 40 days and 40 nights due to a misreading of Genesis 7:12). They forget that while the rains did last this long, the Flood itself was much longer. Genesis 8:2 seems to indicate that it continued to rain throughout the first 150 days. After the first 40 days of initial downpour, it continued to rain on a regular basis, as it does today. And let us not forget that not all the water in the “fountains of the deep” went into the atmosphere.
The Bible tells us that the Flood began “in the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month” (Gen. 7:11). The Flood waters “prevailed on the eartih” for the next 150 days (Gen. 7:24). The waters began to subside and the ark came to rest ten days later (Gen. 8:4). The surface of the ground did not dry up until the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year (Gen. 8:13). This was 313 days after the rain began! Noah waited until the 27th day of the second month before leaving the ark (Gen. 8:14). In total, Noah and his family were on the ark for over a year (371 by my calculation).
For me personally, this makes the theory of a local flood preposterous. Expanding it to a large local flood will not due. Expansion to ten or hundred local floods will not rule out a worldwide flood as the Bible clearly states.
A question just occurred to me: I don’t recall any poetic, symbolic verse with such detail?
On another subject, I asked my student and her father if dinosaurs died out 65 millions years ago? They answered yes. But then I presented the following to them:
Unmineralized Dinosaur Bones
. The north slope of Alaska – K. L. Davies, 1887, Paleontology 61 (1), 198-200
. Alberta, Canada – osteo calcin protein identified, Muyzer et al., 1992, Geology 20:871-874
. Montana, USA – cell structure and mineral analysis, Barrelo et al., 1993, Science.
TRex: “A thin slice of T.rex bone glowed amber beneath the lens of my microscope. Blood vessel channels snaked through a bone matrix, and tiny chambers known as lacunae, which house bone forming cells, appeared as small ovals… Then a colleague took one look at them and shouted, ‘You’ve got red blood cells!’” Mary Schweitzer and Tracy Staedter, “The Real Jurassic Park,” Earth, June 1997, pg. 55-57
“It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. But, of course, I couldn’t believe it. I said to the lab technician: ‘The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?’” Mary Schweitzer, Montana State Univ., Museum of the Rockies, Science 261:260 July 9, 1994.
Any Christian creationist could have answered her question: “[God speaking to Job] Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; he eats grass like an ox. See now, his strength is in his hips, and his power is in his stomach muscles. He moves his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. His bones are like beams of bronze. His ribs like bars of iron… Indeed the river may range, yet he is undisturbed.” (Job 40:15-23) Note: Sounds like a dinosaur to me.
Flood: If a worldwide Flood occurred, we would expect to find:
Billions of dead things.
Buried in rock layers.
Laid down by water.
All over the earth.
And that’s exactly what we find.
Thus far, the following has been found in dinosaur bones that are not fossilized:
Blood vessels (there their contents could be squeezed out)
Histones (this is a specific protein for DNA. It packages and orders the DNA)
DNA (of the dinosaur itself)
This evidence had no effect. Their worldview was in stone. They replied that there has to be an explanation for how this tissue could have been preserved for 65 to 70 million years. Perhaps my opinion of myself is too high, bit I think that if I were an Old Eather, and if I were presented with this soft tissue evidence, I think I would have to re-examine my worldview since it does not comport with the reality I am encountering.