In the thread called Man's Organs Create An Unsurmountable Problem For Accidentalists
, I give an example
of the so-called, misleading "2+2 logic" when the operands are liquids.
For convenience, I reproduce that post below and can be found at the link above.
I was talking about Man, and his 10 Vital Organs.. Man CANNOT live with less, so if we reverse time, we need to go back until there was a moment that Man (Or his mysterious "Ancestor") was able to live with LESS than 10.. The math is VERY EASY on this one.. So which one would you like to pick? Tough choice isnt it.
IMO, it harms your argument to use "if we reverse time".
Additionally, there is no math in this subject: Implicit in your argument--though you don't know this--is that the operation "-" (subtraction) is not defined with operands of flesh
. I get into this in detail with respect to the charge that the logic of "x + y" is being violated. In this post
in the thread "Use Your '2+2' Logic", I explain that the operation "+" is defined
within the classroom as an abstraction
--word-problems notwithstanding--which is, similarly, true for "-" (subtraction), which is the operation you are asking us to perform on the human body with respect to the collection of vital organs
. "x - y = z" is ALWAYS valid ONLY when x, y and z are counting numbers or represent things that are being counted and "-" represents "taking-away (removing) from my collection."
Let the operands x, y (in x - y) be liquids. I can have a collection of x containers with each containing a liquid; similarly for y. As described above, the operation "-" is defined easily in this scenario: remove y containers from my collection. If I collect the liquids within one
container, then I can not remove any particular (specific) volume of liquid which was added ("+") as one container added becomes indistiguishable from the rest when they mix. If their respective properties prevent mixing, then it is STILL impossible to remove ("-") exactly what was added, molecule for molecule. You will have noticed that in the one-container scenario, "+" is defined as "pour liquid to be 'added' into container holding liquid collection." Someone here--I have no doubt--can identify a liquid already in the container that, when another liquid is added, there is a nasty chemical reaction--and the proportions required for said reaction. Here, the operation "-" requires a great deal of magic to perform after "+" has transformed my collection into a whatever elements result from the reaction.
If you haven't noticed yet, Blitzking, I have re-stated your proposition with supportive specificity
: Subtraction of organs from the 10 vital can NOT be accomplished for the reason that addition of the organs is defined in such a way as to PREVENT subtraction. The example of liquids collected into one container is the analogy.
Related and to repeat: As I suggested in my 2014 post
about the "chicken vs. egg" question, it's the approximate _______ (fill-in the blank with impossible approximate physical entity) that puts the conundrum in biological evolution.
You[, Blitzking,] are correct that bicycles did not have a natural origin and are therefore a flawed analogy for life, which did.
I have, in the above, given specificity to the flawed analogy.