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#1 Dave

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 09:29 AM

Evolutionists believe that their arguments are superior to non-evolutionists because they say evolution is science, and the alternatives are not. You hear it often in debate, usually as the evo winds down and runs out of logical refutations to challenges against his favorite theory.

 

"Nyah, nyah, nyah, we do science and you don't."

 

So, I found myself on Google curious to see exactly what is the definition of science. What I discovered is very revealing, and not in favor of the evolutionists.

 

From Merriam-Webster:

 

 

Full Definition of science
  1. 1 :  the state of knowing :  knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding

  2. 2a :  a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study <the science of theology>b :  something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge <have it down to a science>

  3. 3a :  knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific methodb :  such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena :  natural science

  4. 4 :  a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws <cooking is both a science and an art>

  5. 5 capitalized :  christian science

 

From Dictionary.com:

 

 

noun
1.a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws:the mathematical sciences.
2.systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3.any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4.systematized knowledge in general.
5.knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6.a particular branch of knowledge.
7.skill, especially reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

 

From Cambridge Dictionary:

 

 

science noun [C/U]  us   /ˈsɑɪ·əns/
 
the ​systematicstudy of the ​structure and ​behavior of the ​natural and ​physicalworld, or ​knowledgeobtained about the ​world by ​watching it ​carefully and experimenting: [U] Advances in ​medical science ​mean that ​people are ​livinglonger. [U] She ​shows a ​talent for ​math and science.
 
Sciences are also ​particularareas of science, such as ​biology, ​chemistry, and ​physics.
 
Science also refers to ​subjects which are ​studied like a science: [U] political/​computer science

 

Oxford English Dictionary:

 

 

science

Syllabification: sci·ence
Pronunciation: /ˈsīəns/
 
Definition of science in English: noun
1The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment: the world of science and technology
1.1A particular area of this: veterinary science the agricultural sciences
1.2A systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject: the science of criminology
1.3 archaic Knowledge of any kind.

 

I could go on, but you see that these authoritative dictionaries agree on the basic definition of science. If you look at each definition, and have a worldview that allows you to look at these objectively, then you'd have to agree that the definition of science excludes the study of the Theory of Evolution. Notice that these definitions openly state, or allude to, that real science relies on observing and testing of the natural world via the scientific method. Neither of which can be done for evolution.

 

But, let's allow for a looser definition of science that might allow study of the Theory of Evolution to be called science. As we see above, for example:

 

From M-W: "the state of knowing :  knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding'

 

From Dictionary.com: "systematized knowledge in general."

 

From Cambridge Dictionary: "Science also refers to ​subjects which are ​studied like a science:"

 

From Oxford Dictionary: "A systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject:"

 

Study of the Theory of Evolution fits nicely into these "softer" definitions of science. But, guess what, so do the alternatives.

 

Here's why:

 

Because of their limiting worldview, evos disagree with this, but the plain fact is that reality is comprised of both the natural world and the supernatural world. Disagreement over that simple fact is what separates those who do "real" science from those who do science with half their brains tied behind their backs; vis-a-vis, completely omitting a huge part of reality in their attempt to understand the world.

 

So, basically, it comes down to either:

 

1.) Study of the Theory of Evolution cannot be considered a real science under the strict definition of science.

 

or

 

2.) Allowing for the softer definition of science in order to let the Theory of Evolution in, also allows for the alternatives to be included.

 

As this topic is picked up and debated here, one should be able to easily recognize whether the poster's worldview allows him to acknowledge all of reality, or whether he is being hindered by denial of all of reality.

 

Remember the "soft" definition of science from M-W: "the state of knowing :  knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding"

 

Ignoring the part of reality that includes the supernatural is indeed ignorance, and thus not science.



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Posted 14 February 2016 - 01:49 PM

Evolutionists believe that their arguments are superior to non-evolutionists because they say evolution is science, and the alternatives are not. You hear it often in debate, usually as the evo winds down and runs out of logical refutations to challenges against his favorite theory.
 
"Nyah, nyah, nyah, we do science and you don't."
 
So, I found myself on Google curious to see exactly what is the definition of science. What I discovered is very revealing, and not in favor of the evolutionists.

Dictionaries are great when you need a simple definition of what a word means, but you shouldn't expect it to be robust enough to tell you everything you need to know about a centuries old social practice that encompasses dozens of different disciplines, and it's certainly not going to get in to the philosophical underpinnings of that practice. There's a reason we spend years teaching students what science is and how it works rather than just handing them a dictionary.
 

I could go on, but you see that these authoritative dictionaries agree on the basic definition of science. If you look at each definition, and have a worldview that allows you to look at these objectively, then you'd have to agree that the definition of science excludes the study of the Theory of Evolution. Notice that these definitions openly state, or allude to, that real science relies on observing and testing of the natural world via the scientific method. Neither of which can be done for evolution.

Why not?
 

Because of their limiting worldview, evos disagree with this, but the plain fact is that reality is comprised of both the natural world and the supernatural world.

How are you defining "natural" versus "supernatural"?




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