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#41 what if

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 01:14 PM

I wonder how many people have been given the opportunity to love their creator since Adam and Eve?

god: believe in me OR DIE ! !
the great many: okay, we believe, we have faith, we KNOW that you are the lord god.
god: not good enough, so i'll just wipe you all out with 40 days of rain, let's see if that corrects my mistake i made earlier.

the above doesn't say much for the perfect omnipotent god does it?
be honest here blitz.

i reiterate, i mean no disrespect here, but these are legitimate questions blitz.

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 02:20 PM

I haven’t been involved in any debate on this particular thread so not sure how you can even assert that I’m “on the losing end of this discussion”.
Baseless accusations about your style ? So it wasn’t you that started a topic stating that people who accept evolution are mentally retarded (or words to that effect) ?
I don’t make much effort to engage with you on here because you provide little substance in your posts, mainly arguments from personal incredulity and very repetitive ones at that. I prefer creationists like Indydave (who has disappeared for some reason) because at least he will engage with the topic in hand and try to present a scientific rebuttal.
 

*snorts loudly*
 

I don’t and never did believe that a frog turned into a prince. However, multiple lines of evidence (fossil record, comparative anatomy, molecular biology etc.) supports the inference that humans are ultimately derived from a tetrapod ancestor, which also gave rise to frogs.
Of course we don't have a gradual line of fossils from something like Tiktaalik to humans but the pattern of first emergence of fossil types through time fits evolution. And before you claim a circular argument, no matter how much we look in the geological strata, we never find a reptile, mammal, primate, human fossil out of place. For example, we can make the prediction that no mammal will ever be found in the Carboniferous, and every time we look in fresh deposits (creationists can look too), this prediction always holds.
Talking of frogs, why are they (and other amphibians) virtually absent on oceanic islands (that is,formed by volcanic activity, like the Galapagos, Hawaii etc.), even when the habitat is perfect for them (as shown when introduced by humans) but present on continental islands, often with great diversity and high endemism (e.g, Madagascar) ?
If you don’t understand why I’m asking the question, island biogeography is great evidence for evolution and requires special pleading to fit creation.



"I don’t and never did believe that a frog turned into a prince."

Actually, what Darwinists like yourself believe is truly MUCH MUCH more incredible / preposterous / impossible then a frog furning into a prince.. The frog has 4 Limbs, a trunk, a head, digestive system, Brain, lungs, immune system, heart, etc etc etc...The Frog to Prince Fairytale is MUCH MORE Plausible and believable then the delusional codswallop that Your ilk forces onto the public under the deceptive guise of "Science".. You force every single public school biology student to answer that man came from BACTERIA over 1 billion years ago OR THEY FAIL THE TEST...

Intellectual Fascists your mob truly are..


"If you don’t understand why I’m asking the question, island biogeography is great evidence for evolution and requires special pleading to fit creation."

More insanity.. Variation and Adaptation are NOT Evolution

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Forcing people to believe that red blood cells can last 100,000,000,years while criticizing them for "Special Pleading" is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy...

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 02:26 PM

 

 

What If: god: believe in me OR DIE ! !
the great many: okay, we believe, we have faith, we KNOW that you are the lord god.
god: not good enough, so i'll just wipe you all out with 40 days of rain, let's see if that corrects my mistake i made earlier.

 

I think it's either been fifty years since you read what preceded the flood, or you have never read Genesis, and were merely told by anti-atheists what it says. Here is what it actually says before God floods the planet;

 

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the timeThe Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

 

(of course the Lord doesn't have a literal heart or eyes, He is a spirit, but remember the bible employs deliberate anthropomorphism, because it is all people understood. They had no other words, so they used words used for a man, emotions and human parts, it is a shame in modernity, that people think the bible was simplistic and dated because scripture does tell us that God is not a man. The bible was written in rudimentary times, but that was okay, God isn't fussy about using unsophisticated people.)

 

Don't forget, "What If", that what Blitzking said about choosing God, also goes for choosing to trust God in His decisions. While you aren't an atheist you obviously are atheist to Christianity. According to the bible there are those who know the Lord, and those who don't, and all those who don't, by freewill choose to believe that human reason knows better than God.

 

In other words it is very predictable when you offer complaints against the Lord that very much fall in line with all of the other complaints from atheists. Those charges against God are folly, but you choose to believe you know better than the God Who made everything. That is ultimately a choice - a choice to believe that human reason is god.

 

I am pretty much an expert in reason, but I can tell you that human reason usually is best described as reasoning which makes sense to the human, limited mind. Another terminology for the type of reason which is human reason, is sophistry.

 

 

 

wiki and google: A sophism is a specious argument for displaying ingenuity in reasoning or for deceiving someone. A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments.........................the use of clever but false arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving...............a fallacious argumen

 

Sometimes it is also known as argumentation which seems to make sense, subjectively. So sophistry might be to jump to conclusions, or to paint God in a deceptive light, by abusing what the bible says BECAUSE it omits so many of God's reasons for what He does.



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 03:08 PM

I think it's either been fifty years since you read what preceded the flood, or you have never read Genesis, and were merely told by anti-atheists what it says. Here is what it actually says before God floods the planet;
 
The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time[color=#0000cd][font=georgia, serif][size=4].

nonsense.
every thought?
all the time?
example:
you are building a safe to protect your valuables from the evil horde of humanity.
you are naturally going to think how a person could be ripped off in order to build a better safe.
by your definition above YOU HAVE JUST SINNED.

6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, . . .

gods all seeing eye must've been blind.

and his heart was deeply troubled.

but yet he still failed, his perfection must've been sleeping.

7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

well, doesn't that beat all. when you regret something YOU KILL IT.
let's not hear any more about abortion, ok?

8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

i thought noah was an alcoholic (or some kind of drug user).

frankly, i do not wish to go this route, so i'll end here.

on the other side of the coin we have.
close to 80% of the people feel they are more than what physical laws can explain.
the placebo effect, which appears to be faith based.
the fact that prayer and meditation has scientifically proven benefits.

the only thing i can say is:
welcome to the headbangers ball.

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 03:19 PM

"I don’t and never did believe that a frog turned into a prince."

Actually, what Darwinists like yourself believe is truly MUCH MUCH more incredible / preposterous / impossible then a frog furning into a prince.. The frog has 4 Limbs, a trunk, a head, digestive system, Brain, lungs, immune system, heart, etc etc etc...The Frog to Prince Fairytale is MUCH MORE Plausible and believable then the delusional codswallop that Your ilk forces onto the public under the deceptive guise of "Science".. You force every single public school biology student to answer that man came from BACTERIA over 1 billion years ago OR THEY FAIL THE TEST...


Argument from personal incredulity is pretty much all you offer isn't it ?

Whichever you way you look at it, Life is amazing, whether specially created by a god or purely as a result of natural processes. I don't see how adding another layer of even more complexity (omnipotent God)helps as an explanation, its just an intellectual cop out. Whether you like it or not, the combined strength of all the different lines of evidence we have tells us that evolution is a fact. Put in God at the abiogenesis starting point if you want, because we don't have a solid theory for that yet but for evolution as an explanation for the diversity of life, we most certainly do.
 

Intellectual Fascists your mob truly are..


You're a very angry chap aren't you ?
 

"If you don’t understand why I’m asking the question, island biogeography is great evidence for evolution and requires special pleading to fit creation."

More insanity.. Variation and Adaptation are NOT Evolution


Why are there over 300 species of frog on Madagascar with 99% being endemic ? Are you going to assert they are all the same species and are just variants that have come about in 4000 years since the flood ?

Why are there no amphibians on oceanic islands ? (islands that have never been part of a continental land mass)

 

Forcing people to believe that red blood cells can last 100,000,000,years while criticizing them for "Special Pleading" is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy...


Its all you ever go on about because its the only thing you've got. We have a myriad of things that show literal creationism is false while the admittedly surprising dino soft tissue finds is constantly brought up ad nauseum because you have nothing else with a hint of veracity to it.



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 04:06 PM

Whether you like it or not, the combined strength of all the different lines of evidence we have tells us that evolution is a fact.

there is no evidence ANYWHERE that says life arose naturally.
don't start the "that isn't what evolution says" garbage.
there is no evidence ANYWHERE that says life sprang from a single source.
this stuff is an ASSUMPTION wibble.

but yeah, you can certainly say "life is amazing".

my opinion?
science will fail in its attempt at abiogenesis.

as far as tracing genes through deep time (10s of millions of yeas), what genes are we talking about?
the genes that determine how DNA is stored and read perhaps?
of course these genes will be virtually identical to ALL life.

an honest question for you:
given the evidence i presented on how evidence is ignored, and how manuscripts are revised, how much of this stuff can you actually believe?
this is what evolution has done for science.

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 06:16 PM

Can you describe the experiments that proved the scientific law of Biogenesis and explain what bearing it has on a modern theory of abiogenesis?


So you want to know what bearing the scientific law of Biogenesis has on the theory of Abiogenesis? LOL....Do you even read what you write?




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