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#21 MarkForbes


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 12:49 PM


We live in a world of competing ideas and worldviews. In an increasingly globalized and interconnected world, Christians are more aware of (and influenced by) disparate views than ever. But just how much have other worldviews crept into Christians’ perspectives? Barna’s research shows that only 17 percent of Christians who consider their faith important and attend church regularly actually have a biblical worldview1.

This report should be required reading for anyone here who ever uses the phrases, "Christians say ...," "Christians believe ...," "Christians do ...," or "Christians are ..."


 Interesting. And I'm sure they tried to do some thorough work. But it's more difficult than it looks like on face value. 
 We got to terms here. The non-Christian world view and the biblical world view. Of course they'd assess that based on what on their own preconceived idea on what a non-Christian and what a biblical world view is. So that would have to be defined first. But there might be another problem: That a certain world view is non-Christian doesn't necessarily mean that it contradicts a biblical world view. It just may have an extra biblical source like a certain tradition. Take for instance formal marriage rites or the institution of a king among certain. That stems from extra-biblical views. But having a monarchy certainly isn't anti-biblical. It may however be anti-democratic and of course anti-egalitarian. 

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In partnership with Summit Ministries, Barna conducted a study among practicing Christians in America to gauge how much the tenets of other key worldviews—including new spirituality, secularism, postmodernism and Marxism—have influenced Christians’ beliefs about the way the world is and how it ought to be. Barna’s new research found strong agreement with ideas unique to nonbiblical worldviews among practicing Christians. This widespread influence upon Christian thinking is evident not only among competing worldviews, but even among competing religions; for example, nearly four in 10 (38%) practicing Christians are sympathetic to some Muslim teachings.

Amazing! These were self-professed, allegedly saved, churchgoing practicing Christians being polled!
Not surprisingly, millennials and gen-xers are much more likely to stray from biblical worldviews than elders and boomers. Men are more likely than women. City folks are more likely than rural folks. And "Americans of color" are more likely than whites to deny biblical authority, according to the report.
The takeaway from this survey is that in debates here it is dangerous to proffer "Christians" as having any kind of a shared worldview. Fact is that less than one-fifth of these surveyed self-called Christians even hold a biblical worldview.


OK, Terms like "New spirituality" sound quite broad based to me. Secularism? There is a more defined version with the "Humanist Manifestos", but certainly it can also be understood far broader than that. Postmodernism is essentially denial of objective truth / denial of ability to know "absolute truth". One gets that in the form of deconstruction. Where the critiques find contradicting meanings within a text and than try to refute you with this. It's a glorified form of quibbling, but again it's a broad term as well, problem being that postmodernism avoids clear definitions of what it is, almost by definition. It's quite appealing to people one may consider foolish otherwise, but now they got a degree in philosophy or linguistics. That said a lot of people with philosophy degrees simply hate it. The most rigorously defined world view one may find in Marxism, well at least that applies to old school Marxists and orthodox Marxist-Leninists. They're getting rarer though, given that so many Marxist experiments did fail in the 20th century. There are however several schools of Neomarxists most famously the Frankfurt School, which is the womb that gave birth to Cultural Marxism and Political Correctness. The Frankfurt School tried to combine classical Marxism with the psychoanalysis of Freud as well as several as several anthropological theories. It's modern proponents may also be influenced by ideas from poststructuralism or postmodernism in general. As a word of warning: not all Socialists or Social Democrats or critiques of Capitalism are Marxists and given all the wordisms running around there, it's not easy to assess what somebody believes, based on the poorly defined terms. "Capitalism" is almost a term as loaded as "Racism". And Marxism is generally a form of Secularism, since Marxists usually adhere to Materialism and deny any public role to church or religion. However they've been observed to try instrumentalize religion at times, in fact this is quite typically for Western European Protestant Churches and also to some extent to Roman Catholics in South America.



So far so good, but another, perhaps a more important issue would be defining what Christian or Biblical World View essentially is. And said that. Having that world view (as an ideology) may still not be the same than being a Christian filled and taught by the Holy Spirit. That would be the Flesh versus Spirit debate then.    

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:06 AM

A wrong scope is used as the baseline in the report. The report assumes that earth is the final goal of God and bases on this wrong assumption to get to the worldviews of "all worshiping the same god", karma system, "god helps those helping themselves". These however basically have nothing to do with the true worldview of Christianity. Christianity is never about a scope covering our earthly time, it's always about a scope covering our after life. What we do on earth is not to serve the purpose of how we should live our earthly lives. Christianity is about what we do on earth is to serve the purpose of how we can reach the future and to live a future life.


To put it another way, "all worshiping the same god", karma system, "god helps those helping themselves" and etc. are all superficial speculations in terms of the Christianity world view.

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