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#1 MarkForbes

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:36 AM

I think not. 

 

 

In short an Evolutionist claims he found bad (or rather sub-optimum) design in the fact that the laryngeal nerve is longer that it would have to be.

 

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He now claims this is proof against intelligent design (or creation) and would actually "prove Evolution". 

 

He also claims the retina of the eye is bad design. 

 

Now I spotted several fallacies e.g. strawmen and a number of others. But one thought that came into my minds was that, "if this is really bad design, why don't you design a better organism for us and we than have a look at it, testing whether it's indeed better than the existing design?"

 

Here is one way to debunk the claim made in the video:

 

Conclusions

Arguing that the left RLN is poorly designed implies that God should have used different embryo developmental trajectories for all the structures involved to avoid looping the left RLN around the aorta. One who asserts that the RLN is a poor design assumes that a better design exists, a claim that cannot be asserted unless an alternative embryonic design from fertilized ovum to fetus--including all the incalculable molecular gradients, triggers, cascades, and anatomical twists and tucks--can be proposed that documents an improved design. Lacking this information, the "poor design" claim uses evolution to fill in gaps in our knowledge. Furthermore, any alternative embryonic design pathway would likely result in its own unique set of constraints, also giving the false impression of poor design.

The left recurrent laryngeal nerve is not poorly designed, but rather is clear evidence of intelligent design:

  • Much evidence exists that the present design results from developmental constraints.
  • There are indications that this design serves to fine-tune laryngeal functions.
  • The nerve serves to innervate other organs after it branches from the vagus on its way to the larynx.
  • The design provides backup innervation to the larynx in case another nerve is damaged.
  • No evidence exists that the design causes any disadvantage.

The arguments presented by evolutionists are both incorrect and have discouraged research into the specific reasons for the existing design.
http://www.icr.org/a...e-not-evidence/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:20 PM

Much evidence exists that the present design results from developmental constraints.

The idea of developmental constraints doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense for a designer supposed to have created life from scratch, especially if that designer is supposed to be supernatural.

Is there any design deficiency that couldn't be explained away with "well it's probably the best design possible given these constraints"?

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 11:49 PM

In short an Evolutionist claims he found bad (or rather sub-optimum) design in the fact that the laryngeal nerve is longer that it would have to be.
 
laryngeal_nerve.jpg
 
He now claims this is proof against intelligent design (or creation) and would actually "prove Evolution". 
 
He also claims the retina of the eye is bad design.


I just listened to Stuart Burgress talking about the laryngeal nerve. And his remark was that most people that came with these bad design accusations really didn't know anything about design.

For example, one big reason to design the laryngeal nerve the way it is designed is to introduce redundance in the design. If you look at the picture you see there are alot of nerves that branch from the laryngeal nerve. And these nerve branches have to be accessible even if the main path is broken, so the designer made the path redundant.

https://en.wikipedia...y_(engineering)



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:13 PM

it appears as if the aorta may affect this nerve.

maybe this causes the "lumps" in our throats when caught off guard.



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Posted 06 October 2017 - 01:26 PM

 

Much evidence exists that the present design results from developmental constraints.

The idea of developmental constraints doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense for a designer supposed to have created life from scratch, especially if that designer is supposed to be supernatural.

Is there any design deficiency that couldn't be explained away with "well it's probably the best design possible given these constraints"?

 

The moment the creator chooses a set of physical parameters to govern the world, all designs he puts in the world are limited by the chosen parameters.  You could say that the designer should have created a world with no parameters - but how would anything operate with any regularity if the laws of physics didn't keep it churning along?  You could say the world should have been created with fewer parameters and more freedoms - but that assumes the world we live in isn't already maxamized with the fewest parameters and the greatest freedoms.  No matter what the world is, you will always run into boundaries.


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