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#1 Blitzking

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 01:42 AM

Like I have been saying on this thread for a few years now.. In Accidental land.. Everything and everything has already been "Predicted" LOL

 

Now the new meaningless phrase is it "Could topple our understanding"  LOL

 

When will they throw the whole Darwinian Fairytale in the Trashcan of history where it belongs?

 

 

https://www.usatoday...tory/787140001/

 

9.7-million-year-old teeth discovery in Germany could re-write human history

The great ape teeth found in Eppelsheim last year could topple the understanding of our earliest history. Herbert Lutz, head of the excavation team, tells Deutsche Welle what the find means to him — and how it almost didn’t happen.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 03:28 AM

Believe it or not BK, that new meaningless phrase in fact is only one version of a very common phrase, and I have read in evo-science articles a phrase like that hundreds of times now. That is because the evidence never fits with evolution. They come like this;

 

"This will transform our understanding of evolution".

 

Notice it's always their understanding that is refuted and falsified, never evolution theory. LOL!

 

And all of that type of "playing it down", rhetoric.

 

Playing-it-down by example, is like this;

 

MrC; "I've just heard they found a bunny in the Cambrian."

Mr E; "Wow, this will totally transform our understanding of evolution but finds like this aren't a surprise it can happen."

 

 

EXAMPLE 2;

 

Theorist; "I say orange snooker balls exist."

mike; "There's no orange snooker ball on this table."

Theorist; "Duh, have you checked the pockets."

mike; "Yes, none in there."

Theorist; "It will be in the box".

mike; "no and when we check the box there is only room for the balls they have."

Theorist; "this transforms the theory of orange snooker balls, and my understanding of orange ball theory, clearly the orange ball doesn't come with the set but is an addition sent with the set."

mike; "Yeah right, funny how your sentences turn into books when the evidence doesn't fit, let's check out some more snooker tables for orange balls, here is a picture of many tables in a snooker club, are all of the orange balls hidden from sight?"

theorist; "you just don't understand orange ball theory, the yellow balls in that picture may be the orange balls faded over time."

mike; "I went to the snooker club, there was only one yellow ball in every set, so there should be two if the orange ones are faded."

theorist; "this will transform our understanding of orange ball theory."

mike; "yes it will, our understanding is that it is bullzhit and that you think by eternally saying your understanding is transformed this will remove the fact that the true transformation in understanding would be to ditch your theory."


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:58 PM

Notice it's always their understanding that is refuted and falsified, never evolution theory. LOL!

Which part of evolution does this discovery falsify, specifically?
 

Playing-it-down by example, is like this;
 
MrC; "I've just heard they found a bunny in the Cambrian."
Mr E; "Wow, this will totally transform our understanding of evolution but finds like this aren't a surprise it can happen."

This is dramatically playing up what this find means. There’s a huge gulf in scale between finding an ape in Germany when you thought they were only in Africa and finding a bunny in the Cambrian when you thought they didn’t appear until hundreds of millions of years later. The former requires that you revise a few things about the timeline of the great apes, the latter presents an unsolvable problem. It’s sort of like the difference between finding out you were adopted and finding out you’re actually an alien.

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 11:36 AM

One thing I have learned from being on EFF is that you can't out create a fellow creator. The problem with evo's is that they don't acknowledge they are "creative" and so create answers to any objections to evolution as illustrated by Mike's comment about finding a bunny in the cambrian (when it is not supposed to have evolved yet).

"Yes, but..." And then they go on to create a plausible answer (at least to them it is). They have accepted evolution and any form of evolution is true. Any logic refuting evolution will be ignored and met with what they deem a plausible answers. Excuxe reighn supreme! Thus evolution becomes a godThat can do no wrong!

As I have told my clients on many occasions, frustration is caused by trying to do something impossible or nearly impossible.

We observe what we've done and see that it doesn't live up to our expectations (and maybe never will), but we continue on as it the next time we'll do it. This of course leads to burn out. I keep myself from burning out because I expect evos to create their plausible answers. And over the years, they've never disappointed me. Their evolution baby can do anything when they use their intelligence to animate their evo puppet.

The irony in all this is that Evo's are very creative and use their intelligence with no shame to is to create all kinds of "plausible" scenarios for why evo is true.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 07:03 PM

It can get frustrating. I take an accurate timeline to be crucial to the origin of species, and unfortunately there is really no such thing. To revise a timeline is important, but ultimately useless when it is already in constant flux.

In this case an evolutionist might say that the timeline should be revised, because what they cannot say is "We need to revise our timeline of apes near Germany 8-10ma." It's completely out of left field. It's like finding a piece of a 100,000 piece jigsaw puzzle that's 1% complete and trying to fit it somewhere.

The specifics of the ToE cannot be revised, because in order truly revise something there has to be something already somewhat concrete. As it is it's a matrix of constantly changing interpretations of various, seemingly unlinked finds that in some way coalesce to support the theory of life originating without intelligent design.

An out of place fossil or artifact typically won't cause them to even stop and think for the briefest moment about a possibility other than evolution. And I don't mean swinging toward creation or Christianity or Shinto. I mean investigating with NO suppositions.

The most interesting finds and monuments on the whole of this planet are left to what are now called "crackpots" "pyramidiots" "fringe theorists" "nuts" and so forth because what they propose doesn't fit into an accepted worldview doctrine.

In Christianity it is called heresy, in evolution it is called
denialism. I personally believe in intelligent design because evolution doesn't stack up, and what is left?

If I believe Christ died for my sins, I must also believe that those not of my faith go to an eternal torture chamber to suffer endlessly with no relief, because God gave everyone free will even though he is outside of time and knows everything that will happen. Where is the free will, then? God created someone knowing that even with free will they would reject Christ and go to Hell. Then why create them? A wager against Satan, whom he also must have known would go turncoat and become a powerful enemy? Without Judas Iscariot, Jesus would have never been captured and crucified. Judas played a crucial role as God's instrument, but is now roasting.

That doesn't seem awesome. Jesus had not even died for anyone's sins yet before Judas, most likely a believer in the God of Abraham, killed himself out of regret.

But all that is waaay off point. I don't have anything against Christians and in fact they may be right. But they probably aren't right about everything, and the doctrine is what shies me away.

TL;DR out of place artifacts, fossils, and mysteries won't change presuppositions on either side.

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 02:39 AM

It can get frustrating. I take an accurate timeline to be crucial to the origin of species, and unfortunately there is really no such thing. To revise a timeline is important, but ultimately useless when it is already in constant flux.
In this case an evolutionist might say that the timeline should be revised, because what they cannot say is "We need to revise our timeline of apes near Germany 8-10ma." It's completely out of left field. It's like finding a piece of a 100,000 piece jigsaw puzzle that's 1% complete and trying to fit it somewhere.
The specifics of the ToE cannot be revised, because in order truly revise something there has to be something already somewhat concrete. As it is it's a matrix of constantly changing interpretations of various, seemingly unlinked finds that in some way coalesce to support the theory of life originating without intelligent design.
An out of place fossil or artifact typically won't cause them to even stop and think for the briefest moment about a possibility other than evolution. And I don't mean swinging toward creation or Christianity or Shinto. I mean investigating with NO suppositions.
The most interesting finds and monuments on the whole of this planet are left to what are now called "crackpots" "pyramidiots" "fringe theorists" "nuts" and so forth because what they propose doesn't fit into an accepted worldview doctrine.
In Christianity it is called heresy, in evolution it is called
denialism. I personally believe in intelligent design because evolution doesn't stack up, and what is left?
If I believe Christ died for my sins, I must also believe that those not of my faith go to an eternal torture chamber to suffer endlessly with no relief, because God gave everyone free will even though he is outside of time and knows everything that will happen. Where is the free will, then? God created someone knowing that even with free will they would reject Christ and go to Hell. Then why create them? A wager against Satan, whom he also must have known would go turncoat and become a powerful enemy? Without Judas Iscariot, Jesus would have never been captured and crucified. Judas played a crucial role as God's instrument, but is now roasting.
That doesn't seem awesome. Jesus had not even died for anyone's sins yet before Judas, most likely a believer in the God of Abraham, killed himself out of regret.
But all that is waaay off point. I don't have anything against Christians and in fact they may be right. But they probably aren't right about everything, and the doctrine is what shies me away.
TL;DR out of place artifacts, fossils, and mysteries won't change presuppositions on either side.

"Without Judas Iscariot, Jesus would have never been captured and crucified."

Why is that?


ALSO

Just because God knows what your choice will be beforehand doesnt mean you werent given one..

God being omnipresent has already been to our funerals..

How do you know that Judas is roasting? Maybe he repented for his wickedness and Jesus showed him the utmost of his mercy when he went to hell on the Saturday of his Death..He may have gone to witness to the dead..

There is just so much that we dont know nor can we know and that is why I put my trust in the rock of my salvation.. If Jesus doesnt have the authority to tell us what is true and what is false. WHO DOES?

The rest I will have to trust him with.. I believe that God doesnt force us to love him or care about him as forced love is meaningless love.. Even man has figured that out..


"I don't have anything against Christians and in fact they may be right"

Ultimately, it is going to be Jesus that is right.. We have merely decided to trust him... I would call that Wise.. But everyone needs to do what they decide for themselves..

As far as I am concerned, there are followers of Christ as God and their lord and saviour on one side of the isle and all the rest on the other. You can lump them all into the same dog pound.. They just have different fleas.. Atheists dont like to hear this but they actually have MUCH MORE in common with Muslims than Christians do!

Muslims
Atheists
Buddists
JWs, Mormon, CSs
New Age, Shinto,
Hindi.. You can
fill in the blanks
they are all conterfeits
Of the truth..

The only difference between all of those and those who follow Christ in Spirit and in Truth (being Born Again) is that they DENY The Deity of Christ.. And, Ultimately, That is ALL THAT MATTERS...


"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away"

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”




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