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#1 Ron

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:57 AM

I found this very interesting:





I saw it for the first time in an apologetics presentation (I doubt the Huang's intended it for that). But the quesiton is: explain, usings empirical evidence, form a materialists world-view, where all of this came from!

There are a great many other questions an atheistic materialist has great difficulties with as well!


P.S. Just skip the advertizement.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:19 AM

If a universe can come from nothing, which is exactly what a lot of atheists posit, then you have to wonder why anything can't come from nothing. As William Lane Craig said during one of his debates(I think it was a debate) "No one here tonight is worried about a horse popping into existence in your living room and defiling the carpet as we speak."

I'll say this though, atheists can rest assured that if the Large Hadron Collider recreates the expansion of our universe the atheists will have .1 seconds to gloat before it's all over.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:13 AM

That's ...um... ..pretty big I guess.

Nah, just kidding, it goes way beyond anything you can fit in your head. In fact, after scrolling and scolling and srolling your head starts to hurt.

I've got a question that perhaps someone can explain to someone like me who is no good at physics or astronomy. I heard somewhere that according to the Big Bang theory, the universe doesn't have a center. But wouldn't it have a center if everything was supposed to blow up out of that little dot somewhere. :)

Now, I don't believe in the BBT but I just wanted to understand it a little better.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:23 AM

i cant see the link.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 02:39 PM

i cant see the link.


You mouse over the picture inside the picture and click on that.

#6 JayShel

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 04:03 PM

You mouse over the picture inside the picture and click on that.


I don't see a link, or a picture. There is a big white space in the middle of the post tho.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:59 PM

thats what i see. nothing, no pic at all

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:02 PM

I cant see anything

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 06:20 PM

i have an addon that i had to bypass, so I figured it out for me.

#10 Ron

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:07 AM

For those of you who cannot see the video, simply quote my OP, copy and paste the link to your browser,, and i'll take you there.

For some reason, this site will not allow me to post the link alone, without the "media" boxes on either end.

#11 jason

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:21 AM

all by chance right, not! no we dont know. i agree it would have to be even older if that fact was able to be supported. the amount of energy needed to do this is beyond thought.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 10:29 AM

I could spend all day looking at that.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:35 PM

http://www.scaleofuniverse.com/ was working yesterday for me, but right now its not. Maybe soon.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:01 AM

I've got a question that perhaps someone can explain to someone like me who is no good at physics or astronomy. I heard somewhere that according to the Big Bang theory, the universe doesn't have a center.

The no-center idea requires you to take on a mathematical expression as if it were reality. If you consider space to be simply three dimensions - stuff that we can all conceptualise and understand - then there are two definable centers. Those would be the gravitational center and the physical center. They should be in pretty much the same place unless there is something massive on one extremity of the universe.

The basic 3D concept of the universe is the one I hold to. There aren't any extra dimensions or limits to how far we can travel away from Earth. The universe is just everything that was created and beyond the fartherest thing there is nothing. The size of the universe is dependent upon the fartherest distance mass is removed from the center.

The space-time model of the universe is a lot more complicated and impossible to consider on a rational level without resorting to abstractions. The predictive power and usefulness of the mathematics, however, is not evidence that there are those abstractions in reality.

And all that because the link isn't working for me either. :D

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:49 AM

If you consider space to be simply three dimensions - stuff that we can all conceptualise and understand


Thanks Stripe!

Unfortunately I'm not good at conceptualising dimensions. To me, space is just this black stuff with a lot of white dots on it. :rolleyes:

But somehow I get the feeling that there's more to it than that. :mellow:

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

thus if calculus is true then there must be blackholes

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:30 PM

Thanks Stripe!

Unfortunately I'm not good at conceptualising dimensions. To me, space is just this black stuff with a lot of white dots on it. :rolleyes:

But somehow I get the feeling that there's more to it than that. :mellow:

I can live with that. :)

thus if calculus is true then there must be blackholes

Uh... What?

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:40 PM

lol, that is what i was told, a physics major told me that. serious, it was years ago and i may have missunderstood him

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:23 AM

lol, that is what i was told, a physics major told me that. serious, it was years ago and i may have missunderstood him

Mathematicians are idiots. :D

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:41 AM

lol, that is what i was told, a physics major told me that. serious, it was years ago and i may have missunderstood him


You didn't. Come on, the prediction of Black Holes through math is about 90 years old! This got predicted around WWI with math. We have now confirmed objects that actually fullfill these predictions. What's so weird about it?




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