Yes. The bible teaches God has always been there.
Thank you for a succinct answer to my question. I, however do not accept the bible as the inspired word of any deity so this argument does not really hold much weight.
I am He who exist.
God is self existent being who posseses intrinsically the power of being, not self created.Ã‚Â He has his being of himself, and has no dependence upon any other.
Considering the law of noncontradiction states the concept of self creation violates the law. For something to create itself it must have the ability to be and not to be at the same time. It is impossible to be, before, it is.Ã‚Â Hence the contradiction.
It is then easy to reach a conclusion that God is intrinsic due to his very nature. It is by this nature that God is distinguished or identified. He is who exist. Never did He not exist and therfore no need for a creator as some suggest.
God is without termination or finitude, He is free from the succession of time, He recognized a succession of events, but all past present and future events are equally vivid to Him.Ã‚Â We as humans are currently Ã¢â‚¬Å“trappedÃ¢â‚¬Â in our dimension.Ã‚Â Only our present and our memories of the past areÃ‚Â vivid to us.
People often try to limit Gods intrinsic values to their human fallible finite concepts.Ã‚Â They rationalize and correctly realize theÃ‚Â materials in the universe needed a creator considering it is a non-thinking Ã¢â‚¬Å“thingÃ¢â‚¬Â.Ã‚Â The Big bang couldn't create itself.Ã‚Â The big bang couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think.Ã‚Â Ã‚Â It couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t create order from chaos.Ã‚Â Nature canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t design.Ã‚Â As we all know, God can think, nature canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t.Ã‚Â It is the self existent God who has created the things of nature.
As for the rather lengthy argument you provided, of whose authenticity I was unable to find an verification given the names of the presumed authors you provided, I must admit I am unable to make much sense of it or think of any reason as to why you provided it as evidence of God's eternal existance.
First of all, it is obvious that this argument does not appear in the bible so why you would provide it after saying, "Yes, the bible teaches God has always been there," is a mystery to me.
Now, to the meat of the argument. The entirety of it seems to be based on the assumption that, "God is self existent being who posseses intrinsically the power of being, not self created. He has his being of himself, and has no dependence upon any other
," proof of which is never offered. It also includes the assumption that God must somehow be able to both be and not be at the same time since this is a requirement for God's existance not violate the law of contradiction. Not the mention the assumptions that, "God is without termination or finitude, He is free from the succession of time, He recognized a succession of events, but all past present and future events are equally vivid to Him
." I really would like to know how the author(s) of this piece came to know so much about God.
Come to think of it, this argument is just one unwarranted assumption after another with a few logical fallacies thrown in for good measure; such as one of my favorites, the "ad populum" fallacy: "As we all know, God can think, nature canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t
." All of which lends to me further confusion as to why you reproduced this argument in the first place.
And one more thing, isn't it against forum rules to simply reproduce an argument without offering any comment on it?