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[de_skudd]

Why would anyone think this was a random accident?



What, in all this complexity, would bring one to think it would just come about from nothing?

[Adam Nagy]

Every time we start threads on microbiology the evolutionists rarely defend their pseudo-science through the marvels of creation in the miniature.

Instead we are told to trust the noble 'scientific community' on the answer that will surely come as people march their own souls off to Hell because they've purchased the lie.

[jason78]

Why would anyone think this was a random accident? 
What, in all this complexity, would bring one to think it would just come about from nothing? 

Why would anyone think that it had been designed? There's no boilerplate that says "© Yahweh 6000BCE" on there.

[scott]

Why would anyone think that it had been designed?  There's no boilerplate that says "© Yahweh 6000BCE" on there.

I'm sorry but that's hilarious... I laughed out loud. Anyways, I just don't see how it could be random.

[Adam Nagy]

Why would anyone think that it had been designed?  There's no boilerplate that says "© Yahweh 6000BCE" on there.

I'm with Scott, that was clever and funny.

...but seriously, why not try to answer de_skudd's question? What is it about the features and state of living organisms that would compel someone to disagree with someone who believes that life was designed beforehand with intelligence and purpose, in favor of thoughtless random happenstance events?

[jason78]

I'm with Scott, that was clever and funny.

...but seriously, why not try to answer de_skudd's question? What is it about the features and state of living organisms that would compel someone to disagree with someone who believes that life was designed beforehand with design and purpose, in favor of thoughtless random happenstance events?

Because there is no evidence that living organisms are manufactured or fabricated. We don't find life factories, or life machine plants, or life tools, or plans for a new kind of bacteria that virtually eliminates halitosis (estimated completion date, 2012).

Coffee cups are designed and manufactured. I know this because I've seen them made and I've even had a go at making one myself. Coffee beans aren't designed and manufactured. I know this because they are grown in fields.

[Adam Nagy]

Because there is no evidence that living organisms are manufactured or fabricated.  We don't find life factories, or life machine plants, or life tools, or plans for a new kind of bacteria that virtually eliminates halitosis (estimated completion date, 2012). 

Coffee cups are designed and manufactured.  I know this because I've seen them made and I've even had a go at making one myself.  Coffee beans aren't designed and manufactured.  I know this because they are grown in fields.

I'll pose something more amazing and far more fascinating into the mix. First of all the attributes that you mentioned above are present and more intricate in all living systems then anything our greatest intelligence as people can even conceive.

Here is the kicker. Instead of having factories that make life, we have life factories making life factories. That doesn't minimize the design issues and logistics... it compounds them, my friend.

[Adam Nagy]

Because there is no evidence that living organisms are manufactured or fabricated.

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

We don't find life factories...

Oh no?

...or life machine plants...

See above.

...or life tools...

I think the blood clotting process fits neatly into the "life toolkit". Great front men for the autonomous maintenance department.



You don't just have all these tools... they are self running, self correcting, and self healing.

[Adam Nagy]

I think bones would count in the "machine tool production" department for making blood cells...

[Adam Nagy]

Hey Jason,

This is a great video to show you a "life factory" since this is obviously your introduction to the issue since your last post tells me that you just didn't know that there were life factories with all the life tools:

http://www.answersin...onderfully-made

[scott]

Awesome information Adam, the work of the Lord exists all around us, but it saddens me that so many refuse to see it.

[Adam Nagy]

Awesome information Adam, the work of the Lord exists all around us, but it saddens me that so many refuse to see it.

Thanks, Scott. God is amazing and overwhelming to our corrupted flesh. That's why people often seek to find excuses for turning their eyes away from His glory.

Have you ever seen the presentation that Dr. David Menton gives called "Fearfully and Wonderfully Made"? I know you don't have a great internet connection, so if you can't watch the video I linked, I would really recommend getting a copy of it somehow.

[de_skudd]

Why would anyone think that it had been designed?  There's no boilerplate that says "© Yahweh 6000BCE" on there.

You're correct jason , it was all an accident produced by the non-factory "© Oooops, how did that happen Sixty Blazillion BC"…. Only NOT!

Why would anyone think it was designed? For obvious reasons of course! All of the intricacies built into it lead logically and scientifically away from random accident, and directly to an Intelligent Causal Agent (God). Life doesn’t come from non-life. This universe had a beginning, therefore it had a beginner. Etcetera, etcetera…

In that diagram of a “simple” cell, the construct contains 16 major groups (none of which look l like an accident, and all of which display amazing design), and we have the audacity to call this a simple cell. And the best rebuttal you can provide is “Why would anyone think that it had been designed?”

[de_skudd]

Because there is no evidence that living organisms are manufactured or fabricated. 

Life procreates millions of times every day. Life producing life, producing life… And yet, we have not seen the “non-life” production of “life”, that evolution requires to be a meaningful model.

We don't find life factories, or life machine plants, or life tools, or plans for a new kind of bacteria that virtually eliminates halitosis (estimated completion date, 2012). 

Open your eyes and look around yourself Jason, and you’ll see the plethora of “life factories”.

Coffee cups are designed and manufactured.  I know this because I've seen them made and I've even had a go at making one myself.  Coffee beans aren't designed and manufactured.  I know this because they are grown in fields.

Really, because according to accidental progression of evolutheism , that cup should have evolved from a lump of clay. Are you sure you made one yourself? Or did it evolve over billions of years?

And where did the first coffee bean come from?

[performedge]

Coffee beans aren't designed and manufactured.  I know this because they are grown in fields.

Hi Jason,

Unfortunately the coffee beans that you are using for your coffee most likely have been intelligently designed by humans.

They have been altered significantly over the years as an agricultural crop and after picking go through quite a manufacturing process before shipment.

[de_skudd]

Hi Jason,
Unfortunately the coffee beans that you are using for your coffee most likely have been intelligently designed by humans.
They have been altered significantly over the years as an agricultural crop and after picking go through quite a manufacturing process before shipment.

Wait?!?! You mean someone was involved in the design of these beans?!? They didn't just "POP" out of nowhere???

Where did you ever get that idea?

Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch, I wanted to purposefully show what it sounds like when someone is in denial of intricacies and complexities of the items we are talking about.

[jason78]

I'll pose something more amazing and far more fascinating into the mix. First of all the attributes that you mentioned above are present and more intricate in all living systems then anything our greatest intelligence as people can even conceive.

Here is the kicker. Instead of having factories that make life, we have life factories making life factories. That doesn't minimize the design issues and logistics... it compounds them, my friend.

Living things reproducing isn't life being designed and manufactured by an intelligent agent.

[jason78]

Hi Jason,

Unfortunately the coffee beans that you are using for your coffee most likely have been intelligently designed by humans.

They have been altered significantly over the years as an agricultural crop and after picking go through quite a manufacturing process before shipment.

Are you equating selective breeding to a deliberate design process? That's an enormous stretch.

[Adam Nagy]

Living things reproducing isn't life being designed and manufactured by an intelligent agent.

Focus on the original question:

Why would anyone think this was a random accident? 



What, in all this complexity, would bring one to think it would just come about from nothing? 

We say this organism has all the tell-tale signs of being designed by a supremely intelligent being. The question for you to answer is what about organisms makes random happenstance events (with the give-me that matter/energy themselves are just there) more reasonable based on our understanding of the world?

You started to tell us that there aren't life factories and life tools. It was demonstrated that you were sorely mistaken. Anyone who looks at living organisms from a design engineering perspective slobbers over the highly tuned systems that house the machinery for life systems.

So, once again...

Why would anyone think this was a random accident? 

[performedge]

Are you equating selective breeding to a deliberate design process?  That's an enormous stretch.

What would you call genetic engineering other than a dileberate design process?