"Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand" Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was thirsty and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me". (Matt. 25:41-45)
The FIRE is everlasting. Prepared for the Devil and his angels (who cannot die and therefore require that the fire they are in is everlasting as well.
[b]"If any man shall adore the beast, he shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mingled with pure wine in the cup of His wrath, and shall be tormented with fire and brimestone. And the smoke of their torments shall ascend up forever and ever"(Apoc. xiv. 10). .[/b]
Sorry I'm not familiar with "Apoc"
[b]"the unbelieving and the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their [color=purple]portion[/color] in the pool burning with fire and brimestone, which is the second [color=purple]DEATH[/color]" Revelation 21:8[/b]
Notice it's a Second DEATH. Not a Second LIFE spent in eternal suffering. The verse says DEATH.
[b]"Bind his hands and feet and cast him into [color=purple]exterior darkness[/color], where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen".[/b] [b](Matt. 22:13-14)[/b].
[b]"The unprofitable servant case yet out into the [color=purple]exterior darkness[/color]. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth[/b]"[b] (Matt. 25:30).[/b]
[b]"The son of man shall send his angels and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals, and them that work iniquity: "And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be [color=purple]weeping and gnashing of teeth[/color]".(Matt. 13:41-42).[/b]
[b]"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. (Matt. 7:19).[/b]
[b]"I am the vine; you the branches; he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit" for without me you can do nothing. "If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he [color=purple]burneth[/color]" (John 15:5, 6).[/b]
Doesn't say anything about sinners suffering FOREVER, though there WILL be weeping and gnashing of teeth and notice it says they Burneth or Burned (past tense) NOT Burning. But yes, Hell Fire is REAL.
[b]"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet, who wrought signs before him, wherewith he seduced them who received the character of the beast, and who adored his image. These [color=purple]two[/color] were cast alive into the pool of fire, burning with brimestone" (Apoc. 19:20) where they were tormented day and night, for ever and ever.It mentions TWO were cast alive. (though I am not familiar with Apoc. although it's clearly a verse from Revelations 19:20) The portion of being "tormented day and night for ever and ever is found in Revelations 20:10 and refers to the Devil and the TWO (the beast and the false prophet). Nothing about sinners, at least not in this verse.
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire" (Apoc. 20:15).[/b]
[b]"And if the just man shall scarely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?"(1 Peter 4:18).[/b]
[b]They shall be tormented with fire and brimestone and the smoke of their torments will ascend up forever and ever. Neither have they rest day or night".Revelation 14:11[/b]
Let's get back to Rev.14:11 a bit later.
[b]"Everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved" John 3:20. [/b]
[b]"I will bring an everlasting approach upon you, and a perpetual shame which shall never be forgotten". [B](Jer. xxiii. 40).[/b][/B]
[b]"If thy hand scandalize thee, cut it off; it is better for thee to enter into life, maimed, than, having two hands, to go into hell, into the [color=purple]fire that cannot be quenched[/color] where their worm dieth not, and the [color=purple]fire is not extinguished[/color]. And if they foot scandalize thee, cut it off, it is better for thee to enter lame into life, than, having two feet, to be cast into the hell of [color=purple]unquenchable fire[/color], where their worm dieth not and the [color=purple]fire is not extinguished[/color]. And if thy eye scandalize thee, pluck it out; it is better for thee with one eye to enter the kingdom of God, than having two eyes, to be cast into the hell of fire, where their worm dieth not, and the [color=purple]fire is not extinguished[/color]". (Matt. 18:7-9; compare 5:29-30).[/b]
Notice the FIRE is not extinguished or the FIRE is unquenchable. It doesn't say that those who are thrown in it are.
[b]"The nourishment thereof is fire and much wood: the breath of the Lord as a torrent of brimstone kindling it." (Isaias 30: 33) [/b]
[b]"The wicked shall see, and be angry, he shall gnash with his teeth, and pine away. . . " (Psalms 111: 10)[/b]
[b]"We fools esteemed their life madness, and their end without honour. Behold, how they are numbered among the children of God, and their lot is among the saints. Therefore we have erred from the way of truth, and the light of justice hath not shined unto us, and the sun of understanding hath not risen upon us." (Wisdom 5:4-6) "We wearied ourselves in the way of iniquity and destruction, and have walked through hard ways, but the way of the Lord we have not known. What hath pride profited us ? or what advantage hath the boasting of riches brought us ? All those things are passed away like a shadow." (Wisdom 5: 7-9) [/b]
Not familiar with the book of "Wisdom".
[b]"And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can [color=purple]destroy[/color] both soul and body in hell". (Matt. 10.28).
Notice Christ says fear him that "can DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL." It doesn't say can Punish, Torment, etc. Christ says DESTROY. Destroy where? In Hell.
"He will give fire, and worms into their flesh, and they may burn and may feel forever." (Judith 16: 21) [/b]
Not familiar with Judith. Are these the Apocryphal books?
"A land of misery and darkness, where the shadow of death, and no order, but everlasting horror dwelleth." (Job 10: 22)
My translation (New King James) says it differently.
22 A land as dark as darkness itself, As the shadow of death, whithout any order, Where even the light is like darkness.
"These shall go into everlasting punishment." (Matthew 25: 46)
Notice its PUNISHMENT, not punishING.
[b]"There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores. Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him' moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. and the rich man also died" and he was buried in hell. "And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried, and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame". And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazarus evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. And besides all this, between us and you, there is a great gulf has been fixed, to prevent those who want to cross from our side to yours or from your side to ours". So he said "Father, I beg you then to send Lazarus to my father's house. Since I have five brothers, to give them warning so that they do not come to this place of torment too." Abraham said, "They have Moses and the prophets, let them listen to them". The rich man replied, "Ah no, father Abraham, but if someone comes to them from the dead, they will repent". Then Abraham said to him, "if they will not listen either to Moses or to the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone should rise from the dead". (Luke 16:19-31).[/b]
Get to this later.
[b]"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb. 10:31)[/b]
[b]"which of you can dwell with [color=purple]devouring [/color]fire"? (Is. 33:14).[/b]
Notice its DEVOURING. A fire that Destroys.
"Unless the Lord had been my helper, my soul had almost dwelt in Hell"
This "Hell" is referring to the grave.
"What doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul" Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?" (Matt. 16:26).
LOSS of soul. You can LOSE your soul.
"Wonder not at this; for the hour cometh, wherein all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God. And they that have done good things shall come forth to the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgement" (John. 5:28, 29).
Judgement NOT Condemnation. We were judged as well from God's Word, the Bible, the Books and were found guilty. But we received Jesus as our Savior.
"This is how it will be at the end of time: the angels will appear and separate the wicked from the upright, to throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth (Matt. 13:49).
The weeping and grinding (gnashing) of teeth, in this verse and the verses before it, describe the REACTION of those thrown into the fire but this is a far cry from saying that they will suffer eternaly. These verses do not say that or least of all do not make it clear that those weeping and gnashing their teeth will be doing so forever.
"These seeing it, shall be troubled with terrible fear and shall be amazed at the suddeness of the unexpected salvation of the just' saying within themselves, reptenting and groaning for anguish of spirit: These are they whom we had sometime in derision, and for a prable of reproach. We fools esteemed their life madness and their end without honor. Behold, now they are numbered among the children of God, and their lot is among the saints" (Wisd. 5: 2-5)
Sorry, I don't recognize this book of "Wisdom".
"Understand these things, you that forget God; lest He snatch you away and there be none to deliver you". (Ps. xlix. 22).
"Wherefore, my dearly beloved...with fear and trembling work out your salvation" (Phil. 2:12).
Purple Bold Emphasis mine:
There is NO question that Hell exists and is how God will deal with unrepentant sinners. God's word also clearly shows that the Devil and his angels and the Beast and the False Propehet will be tormented day and night forever and ever however there is no mention of sinners suffering that same fate.
The Bible shows that unrepentant sinners will be DESTROYED in Hell (Not alive forever in torment). The Second DEATH (Not live forever in torment). They will LOSE their soul. (Not keep it forever in torment)
The Bible shows that Hell was made for the Devil and his angels who happen to be eternal spirits. Therefore the fire they are in must also be eternal. But it was made for them NOT sinners. Though the fire is eternal it doesn't mean that those (sinners) in the fire will be as well. Those (sinners) thrown in may suffer for a time weeping and gnashing of teeth but they will be destroyed, burneth (or burned), dead forever.
I realize this sounds perhaps heretical but pay close attention to those verses again. God doesn't waste words, He obviously knows exactly what He's saying.
Think about this. How do we reconcile the reality of God's love for us and others, the love of God that we speak about to others and tell them that if they don't repent this loving God will have you suffer forever and ever in torment? Believe me, I am not trying to lessen sin or trying to "fit" God into my view of what "I" think a loving God should be. In fact, I think we all too often don't realize how much God really does love all humanity. I once believed the same about sinners suffering forever but after viewing these same verses again it all becomes clear that that is NOT God's way. The soul that sins, it shall DIE. Ezekiel 18:4,20. So before my brothers and sisters in Christ start throwing tomatoes my way,
all I am saying is to re-look at those verses prayerfully and let the Holy Spirit confirm the word to you.Edit by ikester7579: To fix quote boxes. Anytime you quote over 10 boxes in one post, you have to use code boxes for all the ones over 10 or the boxes won't work. Or you can split the post. The forum program does not have an option to change this so we "all" have to abide by this forum program rule