The thing I worry about Scan is the develop of doctrine, once you move away from a literal translation [with all the intricate problems that poses] I mean for e.g. wots 'er name whinfield? Ofrah, I have never cared to actually read what she is putting out but fom what others say it looks ghastly.
Catholicism itself did not spring from no-where but is a gradual development over many centuries, moving further and further away from the bible although they can say with truth that what they believe is BASED on the bible, what does that mean?
So although I recognise the problems of treating the bible as literal [not that I see a bible truth I disagree with] I plump for orthodoxy and safety. I am no "hard nosed" fundy but I would rather be in their boat than in a leaky old liberal vessel.
I do not feel you are a liberal. THIS, THIS is what I see, people see the WAY hell is preach and it makes them sick to the stomache-it does me- so they want to get as far away from it as they possibly can, they don't want to be labelled with it.
It is exactly the same with predestination and Calvin, the last thing they want is to be thought Calvin so they chuck out predestination, I can't DO that.
Who is greater? Adam or Christ?
Who is more powerful?
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinnedÃ¢â‚¬â€ for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man
, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man
, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men
, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men
. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." Rom 5:12-19
If Adam brought the penalty to all men by his one action...then Jesus has cancelled the penalty for all men by his one action.
The world is a man in an unlocked prison with a blindfold on.
The debt has been paid.
The good news (gospel) is that we are free and that the kingdom of God is within us.
If someone paid off the mortgage loan on your home, and you were not aware of it...are you still in debt?
The problem, is that because you do not know, you live as if you are under the burden of the debt.
Jesus taught us that God is our Father and that our neighbors are our brothers.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
How much doctrine is needed for that?
It is all so very simple.
Where is it said that death is the demarcation for decision making?
" ...For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God." Rom 14:10,11
"that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father." Phil 2:10.11
"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Rom 10:9
The Pharisees and Sadducees felt orthodox and safe...the 'doctrine' of Jesus was not very comfortable.
It always feels comfortable to fit in with the majority.