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Posted 20 September 2010 - 07:57 PM

I see...so it's not a contradiction, but rather just plain evil. Also, in this instance, how are these killings not murder? What is your (or your God's) definition of murder?
Maybe this is getting OT which is a no no, so I'll try to tie it back together. If Jesus existed (which he did not) and was ,as most of his followers claim, a man of peace and love*, then it seems exceedingly unlikely that, as God (also non-existent) he would actually be a bloodthirsty murderer.** Therefore, in my Godless opinion, No, Jesus is not God in the flesh.

* "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.  (Luke 6:26:)
** They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) youch!!

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Grillo, it can't be thou shalt not murder, because you kill things almost daily yourself that you don't see... do you consider stepping on innocent bugs, and ants murder??? If that's the case then you need to propose a new law.

Other than that you are taking scripture out of context... God told the Israelites to destroy the Amorites because if they did not, they would rise up again and destroy the Israelites... which is exactly what they did because the Israelites disobeyed God, and spared the Women and Children.

God was protecting His own people, and if you would've spared the murderer of your family only for him to come back in 10 years to kill you and your restored family then there isn't much else I can say, because that would be illogical.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:28 PM

the Israelites disobeyed God, and spared the Women and Children.

God was protecting His own people, and if you would've spared the murderer of your family only for him to come back in 10 years to kill you and your restored family then there isn't much else I can say, because that would be illogical.

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Right. You said "the Israelites disobeyed God, and spared the Women and Children." That is pretty much all a person needs to know about your GOD. My point is that is evil.

And your example doesn't really have much to do with the Moses story. However, if I murdered all the men in your family because God told me to, I would not be in the least surprised if the women and children themselves, or their kin, came back and destroyed me since what I did was PURE EVIL!

And that is why your Jesus and your God appear to be completely different characters with opposing views of morality to me.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:35 PM

Right. My point is that is evil. And your example doesn't really have much to do with the Moses story. However, if I murdered all the men in your family because God told me to, I would not be in the least surprised if the women and children themselves, or their kin, came back and destroyed me since what I did was pure EVIL!
And that is why your Jesus and your God appear to be completely different characters with opposing views of morality to me.

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Yes I apologize, I just realized I'm talking about a different verse... must be a knee jerk reaction of mine because so many atheist mention it.

Actually it would be me that was pure evil (being an Amorite) because I didn't have God, probably committed Sodomy, burned babies alive as human sacrifice and killed people unmercifully for the sake of killing... Following your logic.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 08:43 PM

** They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) youch!!

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Also at this point in time the Israelites had been greatly muddied by MultiCulturism and were being punished by God for continually rejected him and following false gods, and committing all sorts of evil in the sight of God.

Therefore, to cleanse God's own people, a change had to be made, and Asa the king would be the one to do it. So for the next 35 years there was no war, but peace because Asa obeyed the word of God.

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Posted 20 September 2010 - 09:11 PM

Also at this point in time the Israelites had been greatly muddied by MultiCulturism and were being punished by God for continually rejected him and following false gods, and committing all sorts of evil in the sight of God.

Therefore, to cleanse God's own people, a change had to be made, and Asa the king would be the one to do it.  So for the next 35 years there was no war, but peace because Asa obeyed the word of God.

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My point is that 'God' is obviously a bloodthirsty maniac.
The thread is called "Is Jesus God in the Flesh".
My understanding of the character Jesus is that he was NOT a bloodthirsty maniac.
Therefore my answer to the post's question is 'no'.

I'm certain 'God', like all other bloodthirsty maniacs in history, had many 'good reasons' for wanting to murder vast numbers of people. I simply reject any form of aggression (not to be confused with self-defense), be it by the State or 'God' or it's followers. No exceptions.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 01:38 AM

I see...so it's not a contradiction, but rather just plain evil. Also, in this instance, how are these killings not murder? What is your (or your God's) definition of murder?
Maybe this is getting OT which is a no no, so I'll try to tie it back together. If Jesus existed (which he did not) and was ,as most of his followers claim, a man of peace and love*, then it seems exceedingly unlikely that, as God (also non-existent) he would actually be a bloodthirsty murderer.** Therefore, in my Godless opinion, No, Jesus is not God in the flesh.

* "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.  (Luke 6:26:)
** They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) youch!!

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Check BBE translation: ''Do not put anyone to death without cause.'' That is the closest to the definition of murder in the OT times.

In Exodus 32: 27 it is not murder:

1. Moses sees their sinful condition (Exodus 32:25).
2. Moses calls for faithful men (Exodus 32:26).
3. Moses sends them to slay the wicked (Exodus 32:27-29).

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 01:44 AM

My point is that 'God' is obviously a bloodthirsty maniac.
The thread is  called "Is Jesus God in the Flesh".
My understanding of the character Jesus is that he was NOT a bloodthirsty maniac.
Therefore my answer to the post's question is 'no'.

I'm certain 'God', like all other bloodthirsty maniacs in history, had many 'good reasons' for wanting to murder vast numbers of people. I simply reject any form of aggression (not to be confused with self-defense), be it by the State or 'God' or it's followers. No exceptions.

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Just to point out all the biggest 'boodthirty maniacs' throughout history have been atheists. Look up how many the Marxists in Russia killed.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 05:49 AM

Just to point out all the biggest 'boodthirty maniacs' throughout history have been atheists. Look up how many the Marxists in Russia killed.

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Oh yeah, the Marxists are pure evil . No doubt about it. Chairman Mao as well (Off topic, but check out 'The Soviet Story' for a devastating critique of Communism, and socialism in general.) But I would point out that entire cities were murdered during the crusades, and those killers were not atheists. As far as the definition of murder being killing "without cause", like I said, anyone can justify any deed to themselves. If you live, as I do, by the non-aggression principal, your morality wouldn't be quite as foggy.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 06:31 AM

The thread is  called "Is Jesus God in the Flesh".
(not to be confused with self-defense),

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When God called for the killing of people in the OT it was self defense... the people killed had to be removed or they would ruin God's people. The nation would no longer be a clean and holy nation, but filled with idol worshipers who used prostitution as a way to worship their gods and routinely practiced human sacrifice, etc.

There are many examples of God's love and mercy in the OT. There are also examples of Jesus coming with judgment as an executioner in the NT. There are also examples of scriptures in the NT that are telling God's people that they must keep clean and separate from those in the world who practice vile things. There are also examples of Jesus and his followers quoting Hebrew scriptures and confirming the truth and inspiration of those. I can site some of these later.

In some scriptures we are just seeing different aspects of God's personality as they are needed to fit the circumstances at the time. In most of the gospels Jesus was showing his disciples God's perfect justice, mercy and love in contrast to the religious leaders who had inflicted heavy burdens on the people. The perfect Tohrah had only 600 laws. These laws included provision for the destitute, orphaned and widowed. The Law itself shows God's perfect justice and mercy. The Jewish leaders of Jesus day had added many unnecessary revisions to God's law including to "hate your enemy" and one of the things that Jesus did was to show how they had twisted things. Like I said though, I can site scriptures that speak of Jesus as coming with judgment to cleanse the earth, if you wish.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 07:51 AM

Oh yeah, the Marxists are pure evil . No doubt about it. Chairman Mao as well (Off topic, but check out 'The Soviet Story' for a devastating critique of Communism, and socialism in general.) But I would point out that entire cities were murdered during the crusades, and those killers were not atheists.


No the initial Crusades were a responce to the spreading of Islam which was colonising large areas of Europe and Asia Minor. Muslims invaded Syria in the 7th century AD, followed by Visigothic Spain and other parts of Europe. By the 10th century the Muslims (mostly Seljuq Turks) were invading Byzantine. Muslims preserved little they conquered, they defiled Churches, raped and mass murdered the Christian natives of the land they took. You see all this is in their Koran. Islam is not a religion of peace.

All of this is precisely why Europe gave birth to some of the greatest military chivalrous orders i.e the Knights Templar, Teutonic Knights, Knights of the Tau etc. These groups were set up to defend Christians, especially Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land. Muslim bandits were robbing, raping and murdering the Christian pilgrims. The Templars etc were just set up to defend them.

As far as the definition of murder being killing "without cause", like I said, anyone can justify any deed to themselves. If you live, as I do, by the non-aggression principal, your morality wouldn't be quite as foggy.


So are you some kind of liberal who thinks serious criminals etc should live?

Why shouldn't those who do bad things be killed?

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 07:59 AM

My point is that 'God' is obviously a bloodthirsty maniac.
The thread is  called "Is Jesus God in the Flesh".
My understanding of the character Jesus is that he was NOT a bloodthirsty maniac.
Therefore my answer to the post's question is 'no'.

I'm certain 'God', like all other bloodthirsty maniacs in history, had many 'good reasons' for wanting to murder vast numbers of people. I simply reject any form of aggression (not to be confused with self-defense), be it by the State or 'God' or it's followers. No exceptions.

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As has already been pointed out, God was not a Bloodthirsty maniac, but in fact protected ( The Self Defense of) His own people.

You absolutely cannot change the defintion of Killing, and call all killing murder. Therefore by your logic if I step on an ant, then I have committed murder by your false standards.

Every life that God commanded to be taken was for the self protection of his people, or the punishment of evil deeds by disobedience. You act as if the sinner is in fact innocent, when in fact the sinner is not.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 09:08 AM

No the initial Crusades were a responce to the spreading of Islam which was colonising large areas of Europe and Asia Minor. Muslims invaded Syria in the 7th century AD, followed by Visigothic Spain and other parts of Europe. By the 10th century the Muslims (mostly Seljuq Turks) were invading Byzantine. Muslims preserved little they conquered, they defiled Churches, raped and mass murdered the Christian natives of the land they took. You see all this is in their Koran. Islam is not a religion of peace.

All of this is precisely why Europe gave birth to some of the greatest military chivalrous orders i.e the Knights Templar, Teutonic Knights, Knights of the Tau etc. These groups were set up to defend Christians, especially Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land. Muslim bandits were robbing, raping and murdering the Christian pilgrims. The Templars etc were just set up to defend them.

So are you some kind of liberal who thinks serious criminals etc should live?

Why shouldn't those who do bad things be killed?

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I am no kind of liberal. I simply believe in the non-aggression principle; ya know, don't hit people and don't take their stuff. Seems pretty simple to me.

"Muslim bandits were robbing, raping and murdering the Christian pilgrims."
Ahh, it's all about killing Muslims. I see. But did the crusaders not kill everyone in Constantinople, Christian and Muslim alike with the famous words "kill them all,let God sort 'em out."? Did the Crusaders not murder innocent women and children during the Albigensian crusade. Exactly how were the crusaders being threatened by the Cathars?
Perhaps to you it is off topic or silly or a liberal thing...whatever. If you believe in aggressing against me, as your Bible says you must for not believing, then any discussion we have is likely pointless.
Also, remember, the Templars were all murdered, and not by any Muslims, but by some nice, god-fearing christians.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 10:29 AM

But did the crusaders not kill everyone in Constantinople, Christian and Muslim alike with the famous words "kill them all,let God sort 'em out."? Did the Crusaders not murder innocent women and children during the Albigensian crusade. Exactly how were the crusaders being threatened by the Cathars?
Perhaps to you it is off topic or silly or a liberal thing...whatever. If you believe in aggressing against me, as your Bible says you must for not believing, then any discussion we have is likely pointless.
Also, remember, the Templars were all murdered, and not by any Muslims, but by some nice, god-fearing christians.

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I agree that the Crusades were an atrocity.

I also believe that Jesus and the NT clearly teach us to be non-aggressive and wait for salvation, not take it into our own hands. Some things were changed after Jesus came to earth.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:53 AM

I am no kind of liberal. I simply believe in the non-aggression principle; ya know, don't hit people and don't take their stuff. Seems pretty simple to me.

"Muslim bandits were robbing, raping and murdering the Christian pilgrims."
Ahh, it's all about killing Muslims. I see. But did the crusaders not kill everyone in Constantinople, Christian and Muslim alike with the famous words "kill them all,let God sort 'em out."? Did the Crusaders not murder innocent women and children during the Albigensian crusade. Exactly how were the crusaders being threatened by the Cathars?
Perhaps to you it is off topic or silly or a liberal thing...whatever. If you believe in aggressing against me, as your Bible says you must for not believing, then any discussion we have is likely pointless.
Also, remember, the Templars were all murdered, and not by any Muslims, but by some nice, god-fearing christians.

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Grillo, this is not only off topic, but not allowed in the Bible Q&A forum under any banner. See the pinned topic Read First: Bible Forum's Purpose.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 07:28 AM

We do not worship Christ. We do not pray to Christ.

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MamaElephant, Christians do not believe in polytheism, no more than scientists believe ice, water, and vapor are different types of matter. We believe in The God-head, Three in One, also called the Trinity. The very first passage of the Bible contains a plurality of the Godhead, “In the Beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth”. Elohim is the Hebrew PLURAL form for God, yet it is used in a singular context. Then in verse 26: Then God said,"Let Us make man in Our image…” (New King James) because again, Elohim is used. How about Gen 3:22: “Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.” (NKJV) Here, Yahweh and Elohim are BOTH used. The Trinity starts in the first chapter in the Bible, and continues through the rest of scripture repeatedly. JWs twist the scripture like a Chicago liberals - “early and often” - when it is inconvenient for their doctrine.

Regarding Jesus as God, here are some starters, many more where these came from:

1) John 20:28-29 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Thomas called Jesus both Lord and God, and Jesus did not correct him.

2) Jesus is called “Immanuel,” which means “God with us.”

3) In Exodus 34:14, we are told to worship no other God, Yehovah (Jehovah never appears in scripture, so even that word is made up buy JWs!). Yet in Hebrews 1:6, the angels worship Christ! Heb 1:6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
There are scores more that JWs have to explain away.

Jehovah’s Witness version of Jesus never existed, no more than the Mormon or Islamic version of Jesus ever lived. It’s a clear teaching of Christianity that faith in the TRUE Creator is a necessity of salvation. JWs believe in a Jesus that never existed, and cannot possibly therefore have a saving faith, since the scripture clearly teaches that Jesus is the ONLY way. It’s far more important to know this truth, than to know that evolution is pseudo-science. “There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.” Prov 14:12.

MamaElephant, you sound like a nice person, I am not out to intentionally offend you, but Jesus, the true Jesus, after all is the “Rock of offense”. Please consider this verse:

Mark 9:42 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea.”

I am glad you defend creation. However, you are doing as bad or worse than an evolutionist, because you are teaching a false doctrine to your kids that puts them in eternal danger. Please consider that if you are wrong (which scripture overwhelmingly says you are), you couldn’t be wrong in a more serious way.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 07:39 AM

Fred, I can appreciate that you and Ron are only trying to help me. I have a book that lists many, many scriptures on this subject. (Yes, including those that you and Ron used.) I also have several Bible translations. I promise you that I will again read over information on this topic in the coming days.

I could site many more scriptures, but I think we have enough here already. I can assure you that I get my beliefs from these, not from a group of men who tell me what to think. All Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to do this.

Personally, I take that warning that you sited very seriously. I am very careful to teach my children from scripture. I even avoided organized meetings for a time while I prayed about the bad influence of imperfect man and worked out how I would best raise my children with the truth about God.

I have a good friend that disagrees with me on this matter of the Trinity, (and has also motivated me to research this recently, which I did) but it seems to me that we are both doing the best we can and have our hearts in the right place. :blink:

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:56 AM

Fred, I can appreciate that you and Ron are only trying to help me. I have a book that lists many, many scriptures on this subject. (Yes, including those that you and Ron used.) I also have several Bible translations. I promise you that I will again read over information on this topic in the coming days.

I could site many more scriptures, but I think we have enough here already. I can assure you that I get my beliefs from these, not from a group of men who tell me what to think. All Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to do this.

I have a good friend that disagrees with me on this matter, (and has also motivated me to research this recently, which I did) but it seems to me that we are both doing the best we can and have our hearts in the right place.  :)

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When you use several Bible translations, you can basically find anything to support anything you want. The one that does support what you want to believe is the one you select to use or quote from, right?

A lot of translations end up supporting what the main translator wants it to say. The early translations don't have that problem because most were more worried about getting the meaning of language to language translating right. To insert certain ideas where ever they could to support certain views, doctrine, etc... Would have taken to much time on top of everything else.

Also, in my opinion. When a person has their foundation laid to the point they can research stuff on their own. And understand God's word to a point they can decipher it for meaning. They should mostly separate from a denomination to allow God to guide them. Why?

1) There are no perfect churches.
2) There are no perfect doctrines.
3) Because of this imperfection we should seek God alone once a firm foundation is laid.

Anytime we adhere to a denomination, we are allowing those people, and that belief, tell us what to believe. Which is fine until we are ready to grow beyond that to find even more truth,

Why seek God alone?

phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Salvation is not a group thing, it is an individual thing. Which means we will be responsible as individuals for what we believe, our sins, and where we end up. Christ will not be separating us by denominations and their beliefs. It will be the sheep and goats (which includes those who fell from salvation).

Example: It says that Christ will rule and reign with a rod for a 1000 years. Now rod in the Bible is a tool of correction. Now who is going to need correction during the 1000 years? We all will. Why? There was no perfect truth while we were on the earth before the 1000 years. So before we go to Heaven, we have to learn what perfect truth is.

So perfect truth is not 100% obtainable because we are imperfect beings. So we strive to reach that goal. And we can only do this through going at it alone when we are spiritually ready to do this. This is my opinion which may not be the opinion of this forum ministry or it's owner.

Now since I have done this, I have found more truth than I could have ever imagined. But I seek all of this from God, and prayed that God open my eyes to it. Because if we pray and wait, and God does not answer. Then we were not ready.

Does that mean we stop going to church? Nope. Does that mean we stop being in a certain denomination? Nope. During the time we do this, our eyes will be opened. and we will be guided as to what to believe, and where to go to worship. Sometimes where we end up is at a place where we least expected to be. But what we learn from it is spiritually priceless.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 10:10 AM

When you use several Bible translations, you can basically find anything to support anything you want. The one that does support what you want to believe is the one you select to use or quote from, right?

A lot of translations end up supporting what the main translator wants it to say. The early translations don't have that problem because most were more worried about getting the meaning of language to language translating right. To insert certain ideas where ever they could to support certain views, doctrine, etc... Would have taken to much time on top of everything else.

Also, in my opinion. When a person has their foundation laid to the point they can research stuff on their own. And understand God's word to a point they can decipher it for meaning. They should mostly separate from a denomination to allow God to guide them. Why?

1) There are no perfect churches.
2) There are no perfect doctrines.
3) Because of this imperfection we should seek God alone once a firm foundation is laid.

Anytime we adhere to a denomination, we are allowing those people, and that belief, tell us what to believe. Which is fine until we are ready to grow beyond that to find even more truth,

Why seek God alone?

phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Salvation is not a group thing, it is an individual thing. Which means we will be responsible as individuals for what we believe, our sins, and where we end up. Christ will not be separating us by denominations and their beliefs. It will be the sheep and goats (which includes those who fell from salvation).

Example: It says that Christ will rule and reign with a rod for a 1000 years. Now rod in the Bible is a tool of correction. Now who is going to need correction during the 1000 years? We all will. Why? There was no perfect truth while we were on the earth before the 1000 years. So before we go to Heaven, we have to learn what perfect truth is.

So perfect truth is not 100% obtainable because we are imperfect beings. So we strive to reach that goal. And we can only do this through going at it alone when we are spiritually ready to do this. This is my opinion which may not be the opinion of this forum ministry or it's owner.

Now since I have done this, I have found more truth than I could have ever imagined. But I seek all of this from God, and prayed that God open my eyes to it. Because if we pray and wait, and God does not answer. Then we were not ready.

Does that mean we stop going to church? Nope. Does that mean we stop being in a certain denomination? Nope. During the time we do this, our eyes will be opened. and we will be guided as to what to believe, and where to go to worship. Sometimes where we end up is at a place where we least expected to be. But what we learn from it is spiritually priceless.

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Yes Yes I agree 100%. Very well said. :) The truth becomes clearer when you don't have imperfect men muddying it up with things passed down in attitudes and sayings that have no scriptural foundation. That is exactly what my husband and I have done as well. Separate ourselves for a time to research on our own.

Concerning multiple translations, yes I agree... that is why one must go to the original languages to understand some of the scriptures.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 10:29 AM

Thank you Ron. I do appreciate you being willing to share. I did read this thread. I am and have been aware of reasons people believe in the Trinity, and the context of the scriptures of which you are speaking.

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Actually, the Trinity is woven throughout both the Old and New Testaments. It’s not just scripture but context as well.

Luke 22:41-44  "And he himself drew away from them about a stone's throw, and bent his knees and began to pray, saying: 'Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let not my will, but yours take place...'"

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Indeed, as God in the flesh, Jesus cast of His right to Deity, and was subservient to God the father for the mission He (Jesus) had on this Earth as the second Adam (per se). We are keeping this contextual, correct?

John 17:1...21,22 "Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: "Father, the hour has come; glorify your son,... Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world.... I make request,... in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you have sent me forth. Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one."

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And the union is what (i.e. what are you supposing the “union” to be here)?

I was asking Cass, which is why I included the quote. :)

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Yes, but this is a public forum, and a moderated public forum as well.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 10:39 AM

3) In Exodus 34:14, we are told to worship no other God, Yehovah (Jehovah never appears in scripture, so even that word is made up buy JWs!). Yet in Hebrews 1:6, the angels worship Christ! Heb 1:6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
There are scores more that JWs have to explain away.

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This may be off topic, but I am not the one who entered this into conversation. This is simply not true and was very upsetting to me.

If JW's made up the word Jehovah, then someone must have invented the word Jesus as it does not appear in scripture either.

To take the most prominent example, consider the name of Jesus. Do you  know how Jesus' family and friends addressed him in day-to-day conversation while he was growing up in Nazareth? The truth is, no human knows for certain, although it may have been something like Yeshua (or perhaps Yehoshua). It certainly was not Jesus.

However, when the accounts of his life were written in the Greek language, the inspired writers did not try to preserve that original Hebrew pronunciation. Rather, they rendered the name in Greek, I·e·sous'. Today, it is rendered differently according to the language of the reader of the Bible.


The Tetragrammaton appears almost 7,000 times in the original Hebrew text. Jesus and his followers read from and quoted this text, including the name. (Romans 10:13, Acts2:21, Joel 2:32, Luke 4:16-21, Isaiah 61:1, 2) In addition, some very old fragments of the Septuagint Version that actually existed in Jesus' day have survived down to our day, and it is noteworthy that the personal name of God appeared in them.

The translators of the Authorized Version preserved God's name, Jehovah, in only four verses, substituting GOD and LORD everywhere else. Other translations have continued this tradition, some of them including a footnote with an explanation of such.

Examples of different pronunciations/spellings of God's name can be seen here: http://www.watchtowe...=article_03.htm
and here: http://www.watchtowe.../article_02.htm


Jehovah's Witnesses decided on Jehovah instead of Yahweh simply because Jehovah was more commonly used in English. Acts 15:14, 15

The name of the Father seems very important to Jesus in these verses. We are even to pray for God's name in the model prayer! "Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified."—Matthew 6:9. see also John 17:6, 11.

Franz Schubert composed the music for the lyric entitled "The Almightiness," written by Johann Ladislav Pyrker, in which the name Jehovah appears twice. It is also used at the end of the last scene of Verdi's opera "Nabucco."

Additionally, French composer Arthur Honegger's oratorio "King David" gives prominence to the name Jehovah, and renowned French author Victor Hugo used it in over 30 of his works. Both he and Lamartine wrote poems entitled "Jehovah."


Hallelujah—The English transliteration of the Hebrew expression ha·lelu-Yah´, meaning "praise Jah," or "praise Jah, you people."

Jah—A poetic shortened form of the name of God, Jehovah. It appears in the Bible more than 50 times, often as part of the expression "Hallelujah."

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Hallelujah

http://en.wikipedia....i/Jehovah-jireh




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