Your answer about HezekiahÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s prayer shows we are not as far apart as I was with Dave on this. If you agree the future isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t settled, you're closer to Open View than you think.Ã‚Â But, your explanation sounds a bit contradictory. In one case you state God meant what he said about a certain event occurring in the future, only to change His mind after prayer so that event didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t happen in the future! I guess I see little difference between God changing the future and the future not being settled.Ã‚Â
I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t try to be "with" one person or another; I do my best to be where GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Word is (and just like everyone else, I trip and fall as well). That is not to say that others arenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t attempting to do the same, I just donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t buy into labels (i.e. Calvinism versus Arminianism, or Open Theism versus whatever etcÃ¢â‚¬Â¦) and I try not to allow my flesh to get in the way of GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s wisdom, His Word, or His right to be God (as I am not). I also know this for a fact; If God is who He says He is, and has done the things He says He has done, then what is impossible for Him? And donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get me wrong, I am in no way inferring any logical solidity to fallacies such as Ã¢â‚¬Å“the Paradox of the StoneÃ¢â‚¬Â or Ã¢â‚¬Å“Squared CirclesÃ¢â‚¬Â, and am more than happy to argue against those as well.
Further, God always means what He says, AND He is merciful. That is not contradictory at all, it is God being God! This was a case of Hezekiah not wanting to die yet, and he took his petition to a merciful God. As I said, we have free will. Hezekiah could have accepted what God said, but he did not, he chose to petition for life, and God heard his prayers, and decided to grant them.
God doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t change the future, as the future hasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t happened yet! God travels outside our time (as scripture insinuates), therefore God already know what Hezekiah would pray. And God has His own reasons for granting HezekiahÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s prayer, that we donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t yet understand. But, as Paul said we will know Ã¢â‚¬Å“when we are face to faceÃ¢â‚¬Â. Until then, we have to suffice simply knowing the God is who He says he is, can do what He says He can do, and we are too immature to even grasp a fraction of it now.
The problem I think you are having here is attempting to equate general prophesy with that of individuals. We were speaking of the Ã¢â‚¬Å“individualsÃ¢â‚¬Â free will to choose wright or wrong, and how those choices determine our futures. And that God can see those futures, but it is our decisions that actually affect them. Now thins can work on a general sense as well, but, if the individual does NOT follow the general populace, and actually follows GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Word, that Ã¢â‚¬Å“individualÃ¢â‚¬Â does NOT fall into the same future as the general populace (think of both of your examples (both Isaiah and Jeremiah followed GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Word).
So what about the Isaiah 5:1-4, or Jeremiah 19:5? How do you explain these verses if God knows what I submit is outside the realm of reality (aka the future)?Ã‚Â How can God claim that an event occurred that He never expected (Jer 19:5), if He actually should have expected it because He has a crystal ball into this void called the future? Why would God claim to expect something if He already knows the result (Isaiah 5:4)? Are you also going to toss out the word anthropomorphism to try to slide out of this dilemma? Or is there a way out without using a word that is hard to spell and pronounce?
Further, in the general prophetic terms, you are making an assumption that Jeremiah 19:5 means God didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t Ã¢â‚¬Å“expectÃ¢â‚¬Â what the Israelites did, or that He got blindsided by it; but this is not what He said at all. What He said was Ã¢â‚¬Å“They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to BaalÃ¢â‚¬â€something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.Ã¢â‚¬Â What HE said was that they (the general populace of Israel) were doing blasphemous things that HE Ã¢â‚¬Å“didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t commandÃ¢â‚¬Â command them to do, Ã¢â‚¬Å“didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t mentionÃ¢â‚¬Â it to them, nor did it Ã¢â‚¬Å“Enter His MindÃ¢â‚¬Â to do so! In other words, they did these things without His consent, nor would it even Ã¢â‚¬Å“enter His mindÃ¢â‚¬Â to ever give them consent to do so.
You also somehow believe that God was blindsided in Isaiah 5 as well, but that is not what He said there either. He was making a point (through His prophet) that He did everything on His part for the good fruit in the vineyard, but that the Ã¢â‚¬Å“General PopulaceÃ¢â‚¬Â (through their free will), chose to do what they wished, not what was right. This is nothing new in the cycle of sin and repentance of the Children of God.
1- They suffer
2- They cry for His help
3- He hears their cries
4- He lifts them from their sin
5- He explains what they need to do stay near Him
6- They become fat and happy with worldly gain
7- They fall into sin
8- They start doing exceedingly worse things
9- He warns them
10- They continue to do what is wrong
11- He punishes them
12- They suffer
13- They cry for His help (etcÃ¢â‚¬Â¦etcÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ the cycle continues)
God knew what they were going to do, He didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even need to see into the future to expect it, as they have done it over and over many times prior to the scriptures you mentioned. In fact, He made provision for this in 2nd Chronicles 7:14. And it covers the individual as well as the community.
ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s best to understand the context of how the verse correlates with the paragraph AND how the paragraph correlates with the book, and how the book correlates with the Old Testament, and how the Old Testament and New Testament correlate with each other.
The biggest mistake we can make as Christian Theists is to cherry-pick the scriptures to make them read how we want them to read, or to attempt to prove a point in such a manner (anthropomorphically or not ).