http://www.drdino.co...-1-foundations/
What do you all think? I have used it before and it is actually an effective form of apologetics.
This is Sye's site.
www.proofthatgodexists.org
Presuppositional Apologetics?
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Posted 01 May 2011 - 12:24 PM
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 03:45 PM
Quite probably one of the best Presuppositional Apologests ever; and maybe even a better apologetic debater than William Lane Craig (And that's saying something):
http://www.theopedia.com/Greg_Bahnsen
http://english.turkc...om/Greg Bahnsen
http://www.youtube.com/gregbahnsen
Bahnsen a proponant of the Transcendental Argument for the proof of God, totally dismanteles Gordon Stein in the "Great Debate".
One of my favorite exchanges in the debate:
Dr. Bahnsen: Are all factual questions answered in the very same way?
Dr. Stein: No, they are not. They’re answered by the use of certain methods, though, that are the same - reason, logic, presenting evidence, and facts.
Dr. Bahnsen: All right. I heard you mention logical binds and logical self-contradictions in your speech. You did say that?
Dr. Stein: I used that phrase, yes.
Dr. Bahnsen: Do you believe there are laws of logic, then?
Dr. Stein: Absolutely.
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they universal?
Dr. Stein: They’re agreed upon by human beings. They aren’t laws that exist out in nature. They’re consensual.
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they simply conventions, then?
Dr. Stein: They are conventions, but they are conventions that are self-verifying.
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they sociological laws or laws of thought?
Dr. Stein: They are laws of thought which are interpreted by men and promulgated by men
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they material in nature?
Dr. Stein: How can a law be material?
Dr. Bahnsen: That’s a question I am going to ask you. Thank you!
Dr. Stein: I would say no
[MODERATOR: Dr. Stein, you now have an opportunity to cross-examine Dr. Bahnsen]
Dr. Stein: Dr. Bahnsen, would you call God material or immaterial?
Dr. Bahnsen: Immaterial.
Dr. Stein: What is something that is immaterial?
Dr. Bahnsen: Something not extended in space.
Dr. Stein: Can you give me an example of anything other than God that is immaterial?
Dr. Bahnsen: The laws of logic.
[AUDIENCE: (laughter and applause)]
[MODERATOR: Can I ask you to hold that down please?]
The transcript can be found here:
http://www.foranansw...Debate_v1.3.pdf
The mp3 can be found here:
http://veritasdomain...e-great-debate/
If you want to purchase a high quality recording of the debate (I have a cheaply recorded mp3 version, but I listen to it quite often):
http://www.pointsout...&Store_Code=ABS
http://www.theopedia.com/Greg_Bahnsen
http://english.turkc...om/Greg Bahnsen
http://www.youtube.com/gregbahnsen
Bahnsen a proponant of the Transcendental Argument for the proof of God, totally dismanteles Gordon Stein in the "Great Debate".
One of my favorite exchanges in the debate:
Dr. Bahnsen: Are all factual questions answered in the very same way?
Dr. Stein: No, they are not. They’re answered by the use of certain methods, though, that are the same - reason, logic, presenting evidence, and facts.
Dr. Bahnsen: All right. I heard you mention logical binds and logical self-contradictions in your speech. You did say that?
Dr. Stein: I used that phrase, yes.
Dr. Bahnsen: Do you believe there are laws of logic, then?
Dr. Stein: Absolutely.
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they universal?
Dr. Stein: They’re agreed upon by human beings. They aren’t laws that exist out in nature. They’re consensual.
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they simply conventions, then?
Dr. Stein: They are conventions, but they are conventions that are self-verifying.
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they sociological laws or laws of thought?
Dr. Stein: They are laws of thought which are interpreted by men and promulgated by men
Dr. Bahnsen: Are they material in nature?
Dr. Stein: How can a law be material?
Dr. Bahnsen: That’s a question I am going to ask you. Thank you!
Dr. Stein: I would say no
[MODERATOR: Dr. Stein, you now have an opportunity to cross-examine Dr. Bahnsen]
Dr. Stein: Dr. Bahnsen, would you call God material or immaterial?
Dr. Bahnsen: Immaterial.
Dr. Stein: What is something that is immaterial?
Dr. Bahnsen: Something not extended in space.
Dr. Stein: Can you give me an example of anything other than God that is immaterial?
Dr. Bahnsen: The laws of logic.
[AUDIENCE: (laughter and applause)]
[MODERATOR: Can I ask you to hold that down please?]
The transcript can be found here:
http://www.foranansw...Debate_v1.3.pdf
The mp3 can be found here:
http://veritasdomain...e-great-debate/
If you want to purchase a high quality recording of the debate (I have a cheaply recorded mp3 version, but I listen to it quite often):
http://www.pointsout...&Store_Code=ABS
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 08:27 PM
Wow, that's good stuff. 
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 02:58 PM
I thought answers in genesis gave a good overview on their website today. http://www.answersin...s-of-persuasionWow, that's good stuff.
After I read some, haven't finished, I thought it was titled appropriately.
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