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Posted 06 July 2011 - 08:46 AM

Would you kindly share your beliefs regarding these scriptures? Who are the other sheep and who are the little flock? John 10:16; Luke 12:32

Who are the Great Crowd and who are the 144,000? Revelation 14:1-3; Revelation 7:9-14.

Does the Little Flock= 144,000? Why or why not? What is the difference between these groups, whom are all obviously faithful followers of Christ?

I would like to get a variety of responses if I could, so speak up, PM me, email me, what have you.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 10:13 PM

I found this on 144,000. http://www.gotquesti...org/144000.html that's a start. :)

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 08:29 PM

Who are the other sheep and who are the little flock? John 10:16; Luke 12:32


Wow I had totally forgotten about this mind-bending passage. I remember it opening up all sorts of wild theories ranging from the basis for the Deseret people of the LDS faith....to an alien race....to all dead Hebrews from the past....to Gentiles.

I haven't really studied or contemplated this verse in 10 or 12 years, so I'd love to hear if any new theories have emerged.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 11:05 PM

Wow I had totally forgotten about this mind-bending passage. I remember it opening up all sorts of wild theories ranging from the basis for the Deseret people of the LDS faith....to an alien race....to all dead Hebrews from the past....to Gentiles.

I haven't really studied or contemplated this verse in 10 or 12 years, so I'd love to hear if any new theories have emerged.

Well, it is all about context. Jesus was talking to Jews. The other sheep are Gentiles. How is that for mind bending?

God is not a God of confusion. Confusion is from Satan. A lot has changed since I asked the question. The Holy Spirit shows us what the scriptures mean. 1 John 2:27.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 02:01 PM

Well, it is all about context. Jesus was talking to Jews. The other sheep are Gentiles. How is that for mind bending?


Tell that to the LDS church :lol:

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:03 PM

Tell that to the LDS church :lol:

Or JWs of course. I didn't know the LDS church had their own spin on it.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 03:26 PM

Or JWs of course. I didn't know the LDS church had their own spin on it.


Yup. Many Mormons believe that the "sheep of another flock" are the sister Jewish nation in Deseret (western North America) that he was preparing to go visit post-resurrection.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 02:55 PM

[quote] name='MamaElephant' timestamp='1312437900' post='73708']
Well, it is all about context. Jesus was talking to Jews. The other sheep are Gentiles. How is that for mind bending?

God is not a God of confusion. Confusion is from Satan. A lot has changed since I asked the question. The Holy Spirit shows us what the scriptures mean. 1 John 2:27.
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ME,


Who are the “other sheep” in John 10:16?

In this Scripture, Christ expressly says, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

It is important to notice that Christ made the distinction as other sheep…not of this fold. “This fold” refers to the Jews who were living in Judea at that time. Jesus, being of the tribe of Judah, brought the Gospel message, from the Father, to His own people first. They rejected both the Messenger and the Message. In the “parable of the ten pounds” in Luke 19:14 we read, “But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’” Even more brutal is the account of Matthew 27:25 where they said, “His blood be on us, and on our children.”

We are left then, with the “other sheep…not of this fold.” Throughout the Bible, God refers to the people of Israel as His sheep. There is no indication that this is referring to the Gentiles. Those other sheep are the other tribes of Israel. We find in Matthew 10:6 Christ’s instruction to His disciples, “But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” The apostle James directly addressed the “lost tribes of Israel” in James 1:1, “…to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad…” The Jews also made the same reference in John 7:35: “…will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles?” The "dispersion" was Jews scattered in other countries. The Ethiopian unich that "came to Jerusalem to sacrifice" to whom Philip baptized could have been a proselyte Jew, but was most probably a Jewish man who lived in Ethiopia.

Israel was one united nation until the reign of King Rehoboam. Under Jeroboam, ten tribes separated from Rehoboam to form a new nation called Israel. The remaining tribes with Rehoboam formed a nation that was known as the kingdom of Judah. They have not been united since.

John 10:16 does give a happy, glorious conclusion. Christ said, “…them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” In Ezekiel 37:21-28, we find a very inspiring and detailed prophecy of the final reunion of the tribes of Israel, with David as their resurrected King under the Master Shepherd, Jesus Christ.

We must also consider that Jesus would never refer to Geniles as His sheep and He as their sheppard. Paul's ministry never refers to Jesus as "Sheppard" and Gentiles as "sheep." Rather, Paul always refers to Jesus as "Head" of the Body and we as "members of His body. We are "in Him."

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