Liberal (Free) Vs. Democratic Socialism
Posted 20 July 2011 - 02:14 PM
IMHO American Politics are difficult and tricky to understand. In my opinion political parties traditionally each adhere to certain ideologies more than the other parties. In a generic sense you have liberals (which means free, and is generally today, (not traditionally?)) associated with giving people more grace [seen freedom by them), were as the republicans are seen as more conservative oppressors of freedom. It hasn't always been this way. In my Government class, years ago, they talked about ideologies; One party favoring big business, the other small, One favoring the environment the other not, etc. (There is those voting charts we look at, ha!(laughing at myself because I have been thinking about Indoctrination vs. Education, and Churches saying they-churches shouldn't tell you how to vote - more on that in my question) But ideologies have changed over the years. One video that helped me to begin to understand government the way I could from my point of view is the American Form of government on youtube. It starts out with the Benjamin Franklin quote. I know understand republicans and democrats as the law and grace... So my question is: How do you go from being a liberal(democrat) to a Democratic Socialist (communist)? I was studying a lecture by Phil F. and started to think about Education vs. Indoctrination... I remember we read the book 'The Wave' in public (secular) school, maybe I'll glance through it. Just thinking out loud, Thanks. ...and also remembering that the U.S. is part of a silent holocaust - God save us, You save fetus'.
Posted 20 July 2011 - 03:23 PM
So how do we get to socialism? Slow change, that's how.
Posted 21 July 2011 - 06:22 AM
Posted 13 August 2011 - 09:12 AM
To add more to the discussion I found this:
I re-read your question, free liberal vs a socialist liberal? All liberals want to be labeled as the proprietors of freedom. But I see a lot of socialist ideas mixed with the freedom to be a burden on others,or in other words the promoters of irresponsibility. Like the freedom to kill babies, but ban guns because they kill people. Although 100% of the people I know who own gones haven't killed anyone, and 100% of the women that I know that have gotten abortions have killed their babies. I also don't understand how conservatives supress freedom, both sides suppress certain freedoms. It sounds like school indoctrination to me.
I would think to want to give up your freedoms you would have to be hungry or poor?
John73's comment helped clarify;
I'm still confused, but Started reading John 7 and its helpful for me... I'm a sinner saved by grace
Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:18 PM
Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:41 PM
Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:17 AM
I wonder also about lowering taxes, it would depend on which ones you lowered. But couldn't raising taxes help pay off our debt -- But that too would depend on where they put the money?
I read the quote from John73. What he described is America's current situation "Socialism would require government control of all assets and economic activity". The government could sieze your property and has shown that it can put it's hands in business affairs. More control to the government is a horrible idea, the more control they get the more they seem to destroy our country. Lets look at their financial skills. We have a deficit of 14 trillion, so the liberals idea is to raise the debt ceiling and spend more. Let me ask you, say you owed the bank $1,400 dollars. Would you borrow more and then increase your spending? Or would you take the conservative approach and spend a little less on a lavish lifestyle to pay off your debts? "Don't worry! Lets just flip the bill to our children"(sarcasm). Tell you the truth im about hard work and fiscal responsibility, my children won't get the bill so we could have some luxuries for a little while longer.
Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:44 PM
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