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#1 Portillo

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:49 PM

Plants were created on the third day and the sun on the fourth day. If there is millions of years in between the days of Genesis, what kind of plant can survive without sunlight for more than 72 hours?

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:44 PM

Playing the devils advocate, God created light on the first day, so this light could have sustained the plants. He also could have sustained them through a miracle. The TE viewpoint really starts to fall apart upon examining the word used for day in Genesis which was yôm:

Meaning of yôm

When Moses, under the inspiration of God, compiled the account of creation in Genesis 1, he used the Hebrew word yôm for ‘day’. He combined yôm with numbers (‘first day’, ‘second day’, ‘third day’, etc.) and with the words ‘evening and morning’, and the first time he employed it he carefully defined the meaning of yôm (used in this way) as being one night/day cycle (Genesis 1:5). Thereafter, throughout the Bible, yôm used in this way always refers to a normal 24–hour day. There is thus a prima facie case that, when God used the word yôm in this way, He intended to convey that the days of creation were 24 hours long.
Let us now consider what other words God could have used, if He had wanted to convey a much longer period of time than 24 hours.
Some Hebrew ‘time’ words

There are several Hebrew words which refer to a long period of time. These include qedem which is the main one–word term for ‘ancient’ and is sometimes translated ‘of old’; olam means ‘everlasting’ or ‘eternity’ and is translated ‘perpetual’, ‘of old’ or ‘for ever’; dor means ‘a revolution of time’ or ‘an age’ and is sometimes translated ‘generations’; tamid means ‘continually’ or ‘for ever’; ad means ‘unlimited time’ or ‘for ever’; orek when used with yôm is translated ‘length of days’; shanah means ‘a year’ or ‘a revolution of time’ (from the change of seasons); netsach means ‘for ever’. Words for a shorter time span include eth (a general term for time); and moed, meaning ‘seasons’ or ‘festivals’. Let us consider how some of these could have been used.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:42 AM

1) Why would there have to be millions of years per day? This is not supported anywhere in God's word the only reason the day age idea came up was to make the creation conform to old earth. But what the Bible does support instead of day age is creation with age already added. All the animals and man and woman were crreated and told to go forth and multiply. What this means is that they were "aged" enough upon the day they were created to do this. Besides: How would infants survive? And how many animals do we now of that could not survive as babies without parents? So God created all life fully formed and of age to reproduce. And if He can create living matter this way why not dead matter also? Dead matter being everything the unverse consists of.

Proof that things were created with age:
The earth has to be created a certain age to be cooled down enough so that life could exist and this would work with the laws of physics that were created as well.
The sun has to be a certain age in order to be stable enough not to fluctuate to much and destroy all life upon this planet.
The universe has to date older than all the stuff contained in it or the creation would not make sense.

Creating with age becomes part of the equation of creation because age very much determines whether it will work or not. Now how within the laws of physics could God do this and not be a law breaker? Sin did not happen until the sixth day of the creation which means death (sin is what causes death according to the Bible) was not a part of the creation and not a part of the laws that existed during creation. To make this work means that time and age are separate processes where one is not effected by the other. What this means is that for 6 days the creation was done under eternal laws that did not allowing aging. So when time is not in control of age then the Creator has to create with age. So a 4,6 billion year aged earth was created that old on the very day it was created because under the laws that existed during creation it could never obtain that age because age is constant.

Age being constant even though time passes also explains why all life was created with age already added. It's because that whatever age they are created with under those laws will be the age they will be forever. So if the age things are created at are forever, then everything has to be created at the "right age" in order for the creation to work. Understand so far?

But then sin came along and age was no longer constant. But when we try to explain the creation under the notion that the laws have never been different, then the creation makes no sense. Can science prove that the laws always stayed the same throughout time? Nope. They have no evidence that could support that conclusion so what I present is a big possibility and it also answers quite a few questions.

Example: Starlight reaching the planet from billions of light years away and the creation being only 6,000 years old. Think about it. If age is constant, and time is separate from age then it does not take "actual time" as we understand it for light to travel the distance required to reach the earth. So when the light was made to do so all that had to happen to show that it did was that the light source aged accordingly. If the star was a billion years away, then to make ut shine upon the earth the light source would age that much. so in other words the distance the light travelled determines the age the star would be upon it's creation. So if the star needed to be a billion years old for it's light to travel a billion light years to reach earth that's ho old it was created to be just so that could happen.

But why go to all this trouble in the first place? It was because man had a choice. He could either not sin and live for all eternity, or sin and condemn all creation to certain death. So God had to create a creation that would work under both set of laws or man would destroy himself when he sinned. Because if the creation worked under the eternal laws of where aging was not a factor, but not under the laws of aging which can into being after sin. Then sin would have destroyed everything.

2) Is the light from the sun the only thing that supports plant life? God said let there be light on the first day, right? Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.... So out of the 3 things that existed (God, earth, and the universe), which one can produce light? We find the answer in the book of Revelation.

Revelation 21:
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Verse 23 explains that the sun or moon is not needed where the glory of God lightens it. And the source of the light is the lamb (Christ) fulfilling that Christ is the light of the world. He actually is because he is the light of God's glory.
Verse 24 shows that this light can support life because the saved shall walk in this light. So no problems that this light can and will support plant life before the sun is created to take it's place.
Verse 25 shows why this light had to be separated and darkness formed. This is because God's light casts no shadows. So in the instance in that verse there is not night for that very reason. So God's light had to be separated to create darkness. This did 2 things, In the physical realm it created the boundaries between day and night. And because the light that comes from God is also spiritual, in the spiritual realm it set of the boundaries between good and evil, Basically what this means is the the boundaries between Heaven and Hell were being set up. So not only were physical things being created ans set up, but also spiritual things.

This is more confirmed in Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them....
The heavens (plural) were finished and the host (beings) were in them. What this shows is that Heaven, Hell, and our place of existence was created during creation and each place were filled with the beings that were to exist in them. So this tells us that not only the angels were created during creation, but the 1/3 that fell also fell during creation because that is the only way hell could have any hosts by Genesis 2:1

So when you take into account that sin did not happen until the sixth day and therefore death was not a part of the creation which made the creation under different laws than we currently observe. The creation starts to make sense. But if you keep the laws the same, which cannot be proven that they were always the same, then the creation makes no sense and never will without compromising God's word.

Example: Currently water boils a little over 200 F at sea level. If you put water into a vacuum it will boil at room temps. Now without doing anything else can you make the water in a vacuum boil at 200 F again? Nope. So if the 200 F boiling point were the laws we currently observe, and 70 F boiling point was the conditions that existed in what we are trying to explain, would it make sense using the 200 F conditions to explain the 70 F results? Nope. And that's what creation makes no sense when we try to explain it with laws that did not even apply.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 11:28 AM

Plants were created on the third day and the sun on the fourth day. If there is millions of years in between the days of Genesis, what kind of plant can survive without sunlight for more than 72 hours?


I've kept clones in the dark for over a week. But, the limit without light is weeks and couldn't be extended farther than that. The days referred to in Genesis is somewhere around the same time as days today. Actually, days are less than 24 hours today, but it hasn't changed much in the last 6,000 years.




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