Did you read what I quoted any natural process that occurs spontaneously causes an overall increase in entropy. This is what is written about how reactions occur and I am much more inclined to believe what is published then what you claim to say. Unless you have ground breaking new evidence that defies the laws of thermodynamics then please present it here.
Yes, and I agreed that they actually DO cause an OVERALL increase in entropy. However the entropy of the rust for instance is decreased but the reaction will provide enough heat to cause an overall increase of entropy in the universe.http://www.oberlin.e...EntropyRust.pdf
Here you can see the calculations for entropy.
I never actually said that the laws of thermodynamics were wrong. Nor did I provide any example that would break them.
Hence the fact that spontaneous reactions increase entropy then it follows that the natural state of the universe is towards an increasing amount of entropy, thus increasing decay. Again if you have ground breaking new evidence to defy the laws of Thermodynamics then please present it here.
Therefore my point still stands, how can life "evolve" in a world that is naturally decaying over time. How can strictly natural processes defy the natural state of itself?
Yes, you are correct. The second law is valid in the universe. The overall entropy increases. The amount of energy able to do work will run out. But nothing in thermodynamics nor nature says that the total increase of entropy has to be homogenous in the universe.
Life 'evolving' has nothing to do with entropy in thermodynamic processes. It could have something to do with Information theory but there's no second law in effect. There is no law prohibiting life to evolve, there's only your 'natural state of nature'. I wish you good luck trying to convince anyone with that argument.
How does your natural state explain gravity? Gravity causes objects to form from gas and thus decrease entropy locally but will increase the overall entropy in the universe.
It does nothing to solve the dilemma that ordered energy is decreasing whereas random energy, (thus useless energy) is increasing. Hence a question I have put to the evolutionist is how did the universe become ordered in the first place when its natural tendency is to be random (and stay that way, since if the random useless energy could become ordered spontaneously then that would be a way to get "free energy"... Yet it also defies the laws of nature which the stuff I have quoted imparts.
Ordered energy? o_O What's that?
I'm pretty sure you are familiar with the Big Bang theory and the formation of stars, planets etc. The answer to your question is described by those theories.
I'm sorry but I have no clue what you mean with the sentence in bold.
I am sure the BB was random, (all explosions or such are) hence there would have been no order to begin with, with the new universe... Hence evolutionists believe that for a time the laws of Thermodynamics were temporarily broken or not in use, to allow ordered energy to spontaneously form naturally.
The Big Bang ISN'T an explosion. I'm pretty sure I've already corrected you on this.
Depending on the model, it is either argued that the singularity was either a point of very low entropy (great symmetry) or a homogenous dense point of extreme temperatures and pressure. But the Big Bang model really only starts some time after the singularity because we cannot be sure about the singularity at this point. The further conclusion is that the volume of the universe is increasing, allowing for increasing values of the maximum entropy of the universe. Even today, there is some debate going on about the entropy in our universe (for instance what is happening with entropy states falling into a black hole). But to think that evolutionists or scientists think they can simply put those laws besides them, and assume whatever they want because, hey they are scientists, is entirely not true.