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#1 ChrisCarlascio

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:01 AM

"He is coming with clouds, and every eye shall be seeing Him ... " (Revelations 1:7)

I was just wondering how people understand this passage. How will every eye on earth see Christ coming? I'm sure skeptics use this to say that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

Maybe all people will be brought to one location. I'm not sure how it will happen but I am sure in that it will happen.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:06 AM

Maybe all people will be brought to one location. I'm not sure how it will happen but I am sure in that it will happen.


You could be right. Maybe the only people that will be left is that army that gathers to try and fight Christ. Maybe it just means that everyone will see him after he comes to earth. I highly doubt that John or any of the apostles believed that the earth was flat during this time. They would've known that ships disappear over the horizon because the earth is round.

Maybe it just means that he is coming to the east and every eye there will see him. It doesn't say that he is coming with the clouds to earth specifically. Some people say that "all the tribes of the land shall be grieving over Him" just indicates Israel and the surrounding nations.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 05:13 PM

[quote] name='ChrisCarlascio' timestamp='1335463301' post='83430']
"He is coming with clouds, and every eye shall be seeing Him ... " (Revelations 1:7)

I was just wondering how people understand this passage. How will every eye on earth see Christ coming? I'm sure skeptics use this to say that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat.
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CC, perhaps we need to clarify a few things. First of all, the Book of Revelation is written to and for Israel. We Christians in the Body of Christ will not be here to see His second coming. We will have been raptured out of the earth about 7 years earlier at the start of the Tribulation or the "time of Jacob's trouble." This verse harkens back to Matthew 24:30 and Zech. 12:10-14.

Notice that Matthew speaks of Jesus Christ "coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." We can be fairly sure that His second coming will be magnificent beyond description. Realize that while Jesus said to Israel, "i did not come to judge...," this second coming is in judgment. And He will be coming with a massive number of angels and saints to set up Israel's kingdom. Jesus will sit on King David's throne in Jerusalem with the Twelve apostles ruling over the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Perhaps He will circle the earth a few times on the clouds with an impressive display before landing. Atheists and agnostics (who were not totally convinced) will be looking forf a rock to crawl under.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they will gather together His elect [sons of Abraham] from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Mat. 24:31). Many TV evangelists teach that the establishment of Israel as a nation was fulfilled in 1947 when Israel became a nation in their homeland. I am not convinced. Until some years ago, there were more Jews in New York than Israel.

Also, after He sets up His kingdom, He will judge nations and set the sheep on His right hand and the goats on His left. Nations that persecuted Israel, His chosen people, will be in big trouble.

Many Christians also wrongly look to the four gospels for a description of the coming Tribulation. The twelve signs that Jesus gave to Israel of their coming tribulation were fulfilled 2,000 years ago. Peter and his followers were into their tribulation promised by Jesus Christ when God the Father cut off Israel for unbelief. Today, we should not look to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, but to the Book of Revelation--to learn about what is coming on the world and on Israel.

This is enough for now. I'm ready to field questions and objections.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 05:38 PM

The twelve signs that Jesus gave to Israel of their coming tribulation were fulfilled 2,000 years ago. Peter and his followers were into their tribulation promised by Jesus Christ when God the Father cut off Israel for unbelief.


What tribulation are you referring to here? Is this in revelation, or the gospels, or what?

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 06:42 PM

[quote] name='JayShel' timestamp='1337215105' post='83975']
What tribulation are you referring to here? Is this in revelation, or the gospels, or what?
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JS, Jesus Christ gave His apostles twelve signs of their coming Tribulation. Many Christians mistakenly read what Jesus said in the four gospels and apply it to Christians today. Jesus "came only to the House of Israel" and He gave the twelve signs to Israel. Also understand that Jesus was to return approximate 7 years after His ascension. He told His followers: "There are some standing here who will not see death until I return." "You will not have gone through the nation of Israel until you see Me coming." Let's look at the signs of the Tribulation that Jesus gave to His followers and see if they were wulfilled:


Twelve Signs of the Tribulation



Jesus Christ prepared His apostles for life in the Tribulation and told them exactly what would happen to them. He gave them signs so that they would recognize the Tribulation. Now this may come as a surprise, even shock: The Twelve Apostles were starting into the Tribulation when Jesus cut off Israel. Let’s look at the twelve signs Jesus gave and see if they were fulfilled.



Outpouring of the Holy Spirit: The first sign Joel mentions regarding the Great Tribulation is the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. Just prior to His ascension, Jesus commanded the apostles “not to depart from Jerusalem” but to “wait for the Promise of the Father” (Acts 1:4 and Luke 24:49), the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5). Fulfilled: On Pentecost, after they were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (Acts 1:5), Peter confirmed that “this is what was spoken of by the prophet Joel” (Acts 2:16).



Signs and Wonders: Jesus prophesied signs and wonders (Mat. 24:24; Mark 13:22) in the Tribulation. Peter quoted Joel’s prophecy of “wonders… and signs” (Acts 2:19 from Joel 2:30-31). Fulfilled: The early Acts church saw the fulfilling of the promised signs and wonders (Acts 5:12, 8:7, 4:30, 8:6 & 13).



Earthquakes: Further “wonders… and signs in the earth” included three supernatural earthquakes. Fulfilled: The apostles said a prayer modeled after Joel’s prophecy “that signs and wonders may be done” (Acts 4:30). God immediately answered that prayer by providing what appears to be an earthquake.



And when they prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken…. Acts 4:31



And behold there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven…. Mat. 28:2



…who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that happened, they feared greatly….” Mat. 27:54



Beaten by Councils: Jesus warned His disciples they would be beaten by councils: “But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues…” (Mark 13:9). Fulfilled: And that is exactly what happened after Christ’s ascension.



And when they had brought them, they set them before the council… and when they had called for the apostles and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. Acts 5:27, 40



“Laying on of Hands” to Imprison: Jesus said, “they will lay hands on you and prosecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons….” (Luke 21:12). Did this happen?



And they laid hands on them, and put them in custody….

Acts 4:3



…laid their hands on the apostles and put them in the common prison. Acts 5:17-25



Arrests Lead to Testimony: Jesus warned his apostles: “they will lay hands on you… delivering you up to… prisons…but it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony” (Luke 21:12-13) What happened?



And they laid hands on them, and put them in custody… However, many of those who hear the word believed….

Acts 4:3-4



…an angel of the Lord opened the prison doors and… said, “Go, stand in the temple and speak to the people….”

Acts 5:19-20



Martyrdom: Sadly, Jesus prophesied that those in authority would “kill you” (Mat. 24:9; Luke 21:16). In no time, Israel’s religious leaders wanted blood: “…they were furious and took council to kill them” (Acts 5:33).



The End Times Would Be Short: Peter and the other apostles really believed Jesus’ promise of an early return and a Kingdom. Contrary to what liberal socialists say, Peter and his crowd were not communists. Rather, they were being faithful to their Lord.



Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow….” Mat. 6:33-34; see also Mat. 19:29 and Luke 12:31-32



…all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need. Acts 4:34-35



As prophesied, the Tribulation would be short. There would be massive destruction of properties. Government and religious officials would kill many believers. And Jesus would return soon and establish His Kingdom. None of the above is reason for long-term financial planning. The world, as they knew it, was about to end. And Jesus promised them that in His Kingdom, lost property for His sake would be restored a hundred fold.



Verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory [the kingdom], ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. Mat. 19:28-29



God put His stamp of approval on this temporary socialistic program when He killed Ananias and his wife Sapphira for “holding back” part of the proceeds of their land.



Irresistible Wisdom: Jesus said, “I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.” (Luke 21:15)



And there were not able to resist the wisdom and Spirit by which he [Stephen] spoke. Acts 6:10



Behold, I will make My words in your mouth fire, and this people wood….” Jer. 5:14



The concept of “irresistible wisdom” appears only in two passages in the whole Bible (Luke 21:15 and Acts 6:10).



Sun, Moon, and Stars: According to Peter, the events of Acts 2 fulfilled the beginning of Joel’s Great Tribulation prophecy, indicating that Peter believed the Tribulation had begun. Peter did not stop after quoting the beginning of Joel’s prophecy. He continued with the more dramatic and terrible portion, showing Peter’s expectation that the fulfillment of this latter part of Joel’s prophecy was forthcoming also.



I will show wonders in heaven above and signs in the earth beneath: blood and fire and vapor of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and notable day of the Lord. Acts 2:19-20, quoting Joel 2:30-31



Jesus’ words were fresh in Peter’s memory, spoken only 55 days earlier:



And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on earth…. Luke 21:25



…the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall…. Mark 13:24-25 and Mat. 24:29

TeeJay





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