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Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:30 AM

Here is an article claiming that the "God" particle has been found

http://au.news.yahoo...say-scienticts/
(too bad the website name doesn't pronounce scientists correctly)


I wonder if there is actual empirical evidence to prove this or if this is merely hypothetical bluster, considering that it mentions theoretical physicists,rather than physicists then perhaps the latter is the case. Therefore technically nothing has been found since there is no physical thing to be observed to be found.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

Another link in what chain ?

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 03:36 AM

Another link in what chain ?


In the chain of causes... Since even IF the God particle exists then if a naturalist position is correct there would need to be a natural cause for the God particle.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:27 AM

So what gives the boson it's mass? And how do they tell if it's a boson? I suppose it gives some sort of energy reading, or does it leave a physical mark, like a spectrometer? Does anyone know?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:15 AM

Does anyone know?


Yes, God. Posted Image

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:54 AM

So what gives the boson it's mass? And how do they tell if it's a boson? I suppose it gives some sort of energy reading, or does it leave a physical mark, like a spectrometer? Does anyone know?

The higgs field, not the boson, is what is expected to give particles, including the higgs boson, mass. The boson should be a result of excitations in the higgs field. Finding the boson would act as a confirmation of this process and be an additional confirmation of the standard model of particle physics. It's expected to be a boson because the model that predicts its existence also predicts that is has the characteristics of a boson (integer spin). Determination of spin can be done by measurements of magnetic moment.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Higgs_boson

The nickname comes from the title of a pop-science book and is just a metaphor for something that's elusive. The author of the book has joked that the publisher wouldn't let him call it the goddamned (as in goddamned expensive and hard to find) particle.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:04 AM

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Give God the glory... From googling higgs field it looks like they're trying to prove nothing made everything, from the big bang viewpoint.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:33 PM

Let the dumbing down of minds commence, something from absolute nothing is absolute idiocy. Absolute nothing refers to, no time, no space, no mass, no light, no energy of any kind, absolute nothing.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:14 AM

After costing 9,ooo,ooo dollars, what choice is there but to find the thing the money was paid to find. That is, if you want to get any more money.

No different than Nasa always finding water wherever it has to be if any notion of going any place other than the earth is to be thought imaginable. You can't convince anyone to fork over gizillions of dollars for a space program without lying prolifically about the justifications for trying.

I predict that no man will ever die in space and not return since the scripture says of man, Man is like the grasshoppers of the field. Thus, as we walk across the fields of the earth we see the poor grasshopper do its best to fly away but, alas, it always returns and is not really a bird.
The scripture says, though you make your nest among the stars I will bring you down, saith the LORD. See how God predicted man would have a space station of no real space travel value but only a place to go to nest for a short time?

Its not as if particle physics is proving anything useful. Man breaking rocks is not the presenting of some grand intellectual exercise in wisdom. Who really knows what might fly off from a destructive event effected by pumping so much energy into such small entities? But, it allows a vast amount of opinionating about what the meaning of the little rocky particles might be. And that is the point I think.

Man is looking for connections that can't be found. The strings and things. The network. The field. The dark matter. The dark energy. The creator of the forces that are so easy to predict but which causes are so impossible to find.
Like waves of gravitational something ot other. Or, galaxy formation force fields. etc.

What if, nature is simply obeying God's word?

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:18 AM

"Its not as if particle physics is proving anything useful"
Do you understand that the computer you are using works by manipulating particles - ie electrons.
Understanding the physical world has brought immense benefits (and sometimes grief). Thats what science is about. Whether it came about on its own or was created by God is a philosophical question. If I was a believer, I would say its our mission to try and discern meaning to God's world. Any God worth believing in would not appreciate wilful ignorance
Also you are three orders of magnitude wrong on the cost - its 9,000,000,000 dollars.




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