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#1 Mountainboy19682

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:38 AM

So - evolutionists can't answer two questions. There is one question that creationists can't answer. Its rarely addressed and when it is you get a pitiful, poorly thought-out answer to a very deeply problematical implication for their theory. That question is "Who created the Creator". Its just as much a problem as the origin of matter and the origin of life are for the Evolutionists. After all just saying "God is" would be like saying "Matter is" or "Life is".

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:06 AM

So - evolutionists can't answer two questions. There is one question that creationists can't answer. Its rarely addressed and when it is you get a pitiful, poorly thought-out answer to a very deeply problematical implication for their theory. That question is "Who created the Creator". Its just as much a problem as the origin of matter and the origin of life are for the Evolutionists. After all just saying "God is" would be like saying "Matter is" or "Life is".


This is a problem? God is eternal. He has always existed and will always exist.

It is God Almighty who defines existence. He is not defined by what He caused to exist.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 09:58 AM

So - evolutionists can't answer two questions. There is one question that creationists can't answer. Its rarely addressed and when it is you get a pitiful, poorly thought-out answer to a very deeply problematical implication for their theory. That question is "Who created the Creator". Its just as much a problem as the origin of matter and the origin of life are for the Evolutionists. After all just saying "God is" would be like saying "Matter is" or "Life is".


Consider that natural law, (written or unwritten), dictates that everything natural has an origin, this is why the origin question is such a huge one and why the fact that evolutionists / atheists have no answer is a serious embarrassment.

Now asking "who created God" is merely attempting to conform the supernatural (God) to a naturalists worldview. Supernatural things by definition defy natural laws and prerogatives of reality hence there is no requirement for a creator of God.

Hence what Calypsis has claimed, "God is eternal", is in fact 100% logical by way of what supernatural things are.



It does seem a bit unfair whereby the naturalist is forced to show origins of everything from an entirely natural perspective... Yet this is what their worldview dictates, the naturalist doesn't believe in supernatural things, to them only matter and energy exist, therefore by their reckoning EVERYTHING should have a natural cause... Which actually leads to the breakdown of naturalism since there are things that exist outside of nature, which would defy the naturalist's worldview, (therefore it is an ignorant worldview)

This video sums it up nicely



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Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:33 PM

So - evolutionists can't answer two questions. There is one question that creationists can't answer. Its rarely addressed and when it is you get a pitiful, poorly thought-out answer to a very deeply problematical implication for their theory. That question is "Who created the Creator". Its just as much a problem as the origin of matter and the origin of life are for the Evolutionists. After all just saying "God is" would be like saying "Matter is" or "Life is".


Based on the second law of thermodynamics, we see that the universe will eventually suffer a heat death. This means that in order for this whole process to have began, something had to have caused it (wound it up tight into a ball to produce the universe), since everything that begins to exist at some point in time has a cause. We cannot say "the universe spontaneously appeared for no reason", since that would be illogical. If there was a cause that was produced by another cause (a singularity), then it has to have a cause.

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We end up with an infinite regress of causes (or gods if you assume that God was created) which eventually leads to the question, what caused the first cause? Logically, there can only be one answer; that the original cause happened due to an eternal causer, a being with the free will choice to produce that cause. So the question "who created God" ignores the simple answer that the Bible provides; God is not a created being therefore He does not need a "creator", God is eternal. God said better than I could in Revelation 1:8.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

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This answers all the questions you have asked and it is a logically sound answer. The problem with stating "life is" or "matter is" is that it ignores the question. Even claiming "matter is eternal" does not solve the issue of how it came to be the universe, since it would need a cause, which would need a cause, which would eventually need a causer.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:40 PM

Based on the second law of thermodynamics, we see that the universe will eventually suffer a heat death. This means that in order for this whole process to have began, something had to have caused it (wound it up tight into a ball to produce the universe), since everything that begins to exist at some point in time has a cause. We cannot say "the universe spontaneously appeared for no reason", since that would be illogical. If there was a cause that was produced by another cause (a singularity), then it has to have a cause.

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We end up with an infinite regress of causes (or gods if you assume that God was created) which eventually leads to the question, what caused the first cause? Logically, there can only be one answer; that the original cause happened due to an eternal causer, a being with the free will choice to produce that cause. So the question "who created God" ignores the simple answer that the Bible provides; God is not a created being therefore He does not need a "creator", God is eternal. God said better than I could in Revelation 1:8.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

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This answers all the questions you have asked and it is a logically sound answer. The problem with stating "life is" or "matter is" is that it ignores the question. Even claiming "matter is eternal" does not solve the issue of how it came to be the universe, since it would need a cause, which would need a cause, which would eventually need a causer.


Amen! Well said.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:24 PM

So - evolutionists can't answer two questions. There is one question that creationists can't answer. Its rarely addressed and when it is you get a pitiful, poorly thought-out answer to a very deeply problematical implication for their theory. That question is "Who created the Creator". Its just as much a problem as the origin of matter and the origin of life are for the Evolutionists. After all just saying "God is" would be like saying "Matter is" or "Life is".


You have such a question because humans are conceptually bound by time. Conceptually we can't get rid of time to do our thinking and reasoning.

Creation refers to how something is formed from nothing. The first thing is you need address the point (in our concept it is a point in the time axis) where the to be created doesn't exist, such that it CAN be created. For instance, our universe needs to be created because it is believed that some 14.5 billion years ago it didn't exist. So for something exists now but not 14.5 billion years ago there must be a process (creation) to bring it into existence. However this point never applies to God, that is, you can't find a point where God didn't exist.

To simply put, if you can find out a point where God doesn't exist, I will be able to tell you how He's created. If you failed to find out this point, what makes you think the He needs to be created at all.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:22 AM

You have such a question because humans are conceptually bound by time. Conceptually we can't get rid of time to do our thinking and reasoning.

Creation refers to how something is formed from nothing. The first thing is you need address the point (in our concept it is a point in the time axis) where the to be created doesn't exist, such that it CAN be created. For instance, our universe needs to be created because it is believed that some 14.5 billion years ago it didn't exist. So for something exists now but not 14.5 billion years ago there must be a process (creation) to bring it into existence. However this point never applies to God, that is, you can't find a point where God didn't exist.

To simply put, if you can find out a point where God doesn't exist, I will be able to tell you how He's created. If you failed to find out this point, what makes you think the He needs to be created at all.


14.5 billion yrs? I thought it was 13.7 billion years. Then again, Gamow said it was 20 billion yrs. So I guess it's eeny, meeny, miny, moe...

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:06 PM

14.5 billion yrs? I thought it was 13.7 billion years. Then again, Gamow said it was 20 billion yrs. So I guess it's eeny, meeny, miny, moe...


The evolutionary timeframe actually started out as hundreds of thousands, then millions then billions.. It seems that the constant requirement of change should decrease the confidence one should hold when the same group of people make claim after claim with continually require alteration. Truth is timeless, ie- the fact that I was alive 5 seconds ago is true and will always be true and will not change. Therefore it seems that to the evolutionist truth itself is relative whereby it doesn't really matter if its actually true just as long as it sounds or seems like it is.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:55 AM

The evolutionary timeframe actually started out as hundreds of thousands, then millions then billions.. It seems that the constant requirement of change should decrease the confidence one should hold when the same group of people make claim after claim with continually require alteration. Truth is timeless, ie- the fact that I was alive 5 seconds ago is true and will always be true and will not change. Therefore it seems that to the evolutionist truth itself is relative whereby it doesn't really matter if its actually true just as long as it sounds or seems like it is.


14.5 billion yrs? I thought it was 13.7 billion years. Then again, Gamow said it was 20 billion yrs. So I guess it's eeny, meeny, miny, moe...


Truth shifts, faith is fact, history is science. These are the 3 golden rules of the evolution. Posted Image

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:45 PM

Mountonboy19682 said;

So - evolutionists can't answer two questions. There is one question that creationists can't answer. Its rarely addressed and when it is you get a pitiful, poorly thought-out answer to a very deeply problematical implication for their theory. That question is "Who created the Creator". Its just as much a problem as the origin of matter and the origin of life are for the Evolutionists. After all just saying "God is" would be like saying "Matter is" or "Life is".


Mike Summers' relply;
Who can say dogmatically who can or who can not exist (including God).

Even Thornton Wilder concluded in his famous play, Our Town:, "We all know that something is eternal." Moreover, science itself offers up the idea that there is no infinite regression! The fact that we exist proves (one has to think deeply about this idea) that any being's existence finite or infinite is valid..




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