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[Mike Summers]

Evo scientists contend that life began 3.8 billion years ago possibly around vents in the bottom of earth's oceans. According to this theory, life began when the first replicating molecules and cells appeared in or aroud these vents. Accordingly, this process is not now going on. It was an anomoly--a one time event?

If the previous conclusion is true, curent cells in all life forms (including humans) must contain unscathed copies of this original genetic material--a copy of a copy duplicated for 3.8 billion years (that's what constitutes life) . Incredible.

The human begins with one cell. At maturity the human body consists of 100 trillion cells. Moreover, the 100 trillion cells are replaced totally every ten years--with some cells living longer than others. When someone is 50 years old there have been over 500 trillion copies of their orginal one cell.

One theory of the cause of death says that copying errors occurring in cells eventually (genetic entropy) causes death.

3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now!

That leads to the conclusion that life on earth hasn't been here that long.

[gilbo12345]

Evo scientists contend that life began 3.8 billion years ago possibly around vents in the bottom of earth's oceans. According to this theory, life began when the first replicating molecules and cells appeared in or aroud these vents. Accordingly, this process is not now going on. It was an anomoly--a one time event?

If the previous conclusion is true, curent cells in all life forms (including humans) must contain unscathed copies of this original genetic material--a copy of a copy duplicated for 3.8 billion years (that's what constitutes life) . Incredible.

The human begins with one cell. At maturity the human body consists of 100 trillion cells. Moreover, the 100 trillion cells are replaced totally every ten years--with some cells living longer than others. When someone is 50 years old there have been over 500 trillion copies of their orginal one cell.

One theory of the cause of death says that copying errors occurring in cells eventually (genetic entropy) causes death.

3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now!

That leads to the conclusion that life on earth hasn't been here that long.

The entropy you speak of (as in the cause of organism death) isn't passed on. What you speak of occurs when cells replicate they cut off a small fragment of the DNA, normally this wouldn't matter due to the telomeres at each end, however over time it is claimed that the telomeres run out and useful information starts to get cut off. Telomere length is determined when a baby is an embryo telomerase is turned on so it adds telomeres as each time the embryo cells replicate. Turning on telomerase is claimed to be able to make humans live indefinitely, yet cancer also uses telomerase to become "immortal cells" therefore whilst people may not grow old they would be more susceptible to cancer since one of the mutations required would already be provided for.


Genetic entropy that is passed on generation to generation is to do with random mutations and how they are jumbling the genetic code. I haven't heard how they are attributed to an organisms death, (then again I am not the be-all-end-all of knowledge )

[jason777]

John C. Sanford was one of the leading genetics professors in this country (Retired). He is the inventor of the gene gun and co-inventor of the computer software "Mendel's Accountant". And yes, despite evolutionists rhetoric about genetics isn't possible without evolution, he's a staunch YEC.

Once an empirical mutation rate was obtained it was ran through Mendel's Accountant and the algorithm showed the extinction of the human race in only 350 generations.

http://evolutionfair...indpost&p=82427



Enjoy.

[Mike Summers]

The entropy you speak of (as in the cause of organism death) isn't passed on. What you speak of occurs when cells replicate they cut off a small fragment of the DNA, normally this wouldn't matter due to the telomeres at each end, however over time it is claimed that the telomeres run out and useful information starts to get cut off. Telomere length is determined when a baby is an embryo telomerase is turned on so it adds telomeres as each time the embryo cells replicate. Turning on telomerase is claimed to be able to make humans live indefinitely, yet cancer also uses telomerase to become "immortal cells" therefore whilst people may not grow old they would be more susceptible to cancer since one of the mutations required would already be provided for.


Genetic entropy that is passed on generation to generation is to do with random mutations and how they are jumbling the genetic code. I haven't heard how they are attributed to an organisms death, (then again I am not the be-all-end-all of knowledge )

I remember readin (I'll have to check my sources again ) there are other theories than the telemere theory of why humans die. It would seem probable that copying erros might occur after trillions and trilion of duplicates.

Assuming we agree that the humans had a common ancestor with the apes 200,000 years ago--and with a generation being 30 years there would be 6667 generations since the split off. )as per Jason's post). Mankind would be extinct by now.

[gilbo12345]

I remember readin (I'll have to check my sources again ) there are other theories than the telemere theory of why humans die. It would seem probable that copying erros might occur after trillions and trilion of duplicates.

Assuming we agree that the humans had a common ancestor with the apes 200,000 years ago--and with a generation being 30 years there would be 6667 generations since the split off. )as per Jason's post). Mankind would be extinct by now.

Yeah I agree An analogy would be a book and there is a threshold where after a given amount of "mutations" would make the book a jumbled mess. I meant that I wasn't sure how such mutations are a cause of death, pertaining to the death of an individual... (not the extinction death we are discussing now).

[Mike Summers]

Yeah I agree An analogy would be a book and there is a threshold where after a given amount of "mutations" would make the book a jumbled mess. I meant that I wasn't sure how such mutations are a cause of death, pertaining to the death of an individual... (not the extinction death we are discussing now).

I read that there are about 100 mutations per person. Therfore in 6667 generations that would be a total of more than 1.3 billion mutations..

[gilbo12345]

I read that there are about 100 mutations per person. Therfore in 6667 generations that would be a total of more than 1.3 billion mutations..

But, but, but.... natural selection.....

[Mike Summers]

Dawkins begins the book with a startling, yet true claim on behalf of all organisms that have ever lived: not a single one of our ancestors died before they reached adulthood and begot at least one child. In a world where most organisms die before they can procreate, descendants are common but ancestors are rare. But we can all claim an unbroken chain of successful ancestors all the way back to the first single-celled organism.

Paraphased in Wikipedia from Richard Dawkins' book, The selfish Gene (1976)

Wow! 3.8 billion years!