Now wait Ã¢â‚¬â€œ IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not sure what you mean by:
Ã¢â‚¬Å“do you know how Ã¢â‚¬ËœAryan ideasÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ got into Islamic countries?Ã¢â‚¬Â
IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not at all aware that Ã¢â‚¬Å“Islamic countriesÃ¢â‚¬Â promote or utilize Ã¢â‚¬Å“Aryan ideasÃ¢â‚¬ÂÃ¢â‚¬Â¦. We need to update this to the 20th and 21st centuries I think Ã¢â‚¬â€œ Palestinian/Jewish conflicts throughout the last century, up Ã¢â‚¬Ëœtil the present have been primarily driven by territorial disputes, and land rights, and the establishment of Territorial Mandates by the League of Nations, at the end of WWI, and the Ã¢â‚¬Å“Balfour DeclarationÃ¢â‚¬Â by the British government expressing support for Ã¢â‚¬Å“ the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish peopleÃ¢â‚¬ÂÃ¢â‚¬Â¦.and during WWII there most certainly WAS a rising tidal wave of Jewish immigrants into that region (Palestine) from all over Europe, thanks to the conditions there. Prior to that, these people have been warring for centuries.
Would you like to give a history of where the ape to Jew idea came from that is being taught in Islamic schools? Or does this news paper lie? http://www.telegraph.../25/ixnews.html
You also seem to be implying that the persons HaekelÃ‚Â and Hitler were personally aquainted and in cahoots with one another:
"Ernst Haeckel introduced Hitler to evolution through selling his faked embryo drawings right before Hitler got a hold of Darwin's book.
...sorry, but I sense some real storytelling here. I need to ask just how you yourself determined the exact sequence of these supposed events, and when they occurred. Haeckel died in 1919.
Going around and selling his (Ernst Haeckel) "lie" to the German people, made away for Hitler to do what he did. Hitler admired Darwin so much. He named his book practically after one of the ideas for evolution. Survival of the fittest, Hitler's book was named "My Survival" (translated to English).
So twist it any way you like, history does not lie.
At that time there had already been further publications and work in the field of evolutionary biology - Why did Hitler "get ahold of (just) Darwin'sÃ‚Â book"?? Please keep in mind that Hitler was almost purely politically motivated and had, really NO scientific training or experience at all.
So no scientific training gets evolution off the hook? What a joke. That's like saying a killer did not go to killing school to learn how to do it properly, so set him free. By the way, Hitler was doing what Darwin had suggested. He was "exterminating" the salvage race. Both Darwin and Hitler used that word as the means to achieving the evolution goal.
Ã¢â‚¬Â¦and that Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini Ã¢â‚¬Å“learned about evolutionÃ¢â‚¬Â as a result of Ã¢â‚¬Å“observing what Hitler was doing to the jewsÃ¢â‚¬Â. - IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d have to say that one can only Ã¢â‚¬Å“learn about evolutionÃ¢â‚¬Â by studying biological sciences, or closely related fields of study. So far you are drawing some rather wacky conclusions here. See my earlier comments concerning the Palestinian Territorial Mandates.
So I repeat what I said earlier: Would you like to give a history of where the ape to Jew idea came from that is being taught in Islamic schools? Or does this news paper lie? http://www.telegraph.../25/ixnews.html
"He took Hitler's final solution as the answer to rid Jews from Palestine. And even went to Germany to learn more and get support from Nazis for his cause."
I am not aware of Palestinians ever conducting an organized Ã¢â‚¬Å“holocaustÃ¢â‚¬Â against Jews
They did not have time to organize a holocaust against the Jews because of a failed attempt to take over Brittain, Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, had to flee to Iraq. This is how he ended up meeting with Hitler and the Nazis. While in hiding, he was able to sneak into Germany.
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Ã¢â‚¬Â¦So then what you are suggesting here is that the conflict between Palestinians and Jews only commenced, in all of history,Ã‚Â during WWII, and thanks to scientific evolution models???? Far out(!!!), to say the least.
Did I say that, or did you just imply it? Show me where I used the word commenced? Your attempt to twist truth is of an expert quality. But dealing with evolutionists on a daily bases makes one an expert at deciphering it as well.
"And you need to be aware that it was evolution's poster boy "Ernst Haeckel" that introduced Germany to evolution through his faked drawings. And that it was what he did by going all over Germany with this, that prepared Germany to receive Hitler's ideas about death camps etc... "
Haeckel's drawings must have been hugely popular big sellers, throughout the German population, outside of academic circles which is highly doubtful.
Skipping historical facts to make a point, are we? Haeckel travelled all over Germany and taught his idea of evolution using his frauded pictures. This is why Haeckel's university (Jena) had to save face by putting him on trial for fraud. It was not to convict him to go to jail. But to allow him to stand up to his peers, and have a chance to show if he was telling the truth. He was not, and the trial exposed this. Over looking this, in a attempt to twist truth won't help you any here.
Also the "death camps" ofÃ‚Â Germany were largely a state secret unknown by the population until nearly the end of the war, and were mostly the suggestion ofÃ‚Â Heinrich Himmler andÃ‚Â other advisors to Hitler.
The population knew what was going on in those camps. They also knew they would be thrown in one if they had bucked the system Hitler had set up for exterminating one race.
You seem to be hung-up on creating fantastical historic vilifications, and historic revisionism to prop-up your claims in this area.
Just wondering - what sort of "sentence" did he receive for this?? btw - this would not have been a legitimate legal trial, being conducted by a university, so in a way ,Ã‚Â the "fraud" charge itself would have been fraudulent.Ã‚Â
I'll claim to have never seen it, and in fact was taught the conceptÃ‚Â of "human embryonic gill slits" was a misnomer . This was inÃ‚Â public school incidentally.
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It was a hearing for the university to save face for what Haeckel did. And your last comment was a joke in poor taste. Then again so is the extermination of 6 million Jews that were considered partly ape. Wonder where that idea arose from?
You need to cite examples of current textbooks to support this.
Do you mean a text book that was printed just today? Proven wrong over 100 years ago does not make a difference if it were printed 10 years ago in a text book. It was a lie then, and it is a lie now. Besides, if I obtained a teaching text book that showed Haeckel's pics, what would that change in your thinking about this subject? Nothing, correct? So no, I'm not going on a time wasting hunt just to be right, just to have it ignored by someone who is not looking for truth.
I found some from 2004 text books. Is that new enough? I'm not going to buy 2006 text books. but the samething is in them.
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Really? This is taken directly from the Jena trial transcripts?? "Having to believe in a creator" was his "only alternative"......Not correcting the drawings to make them more accurate?? Closer peer review of his research??
Once again, I was shown much more up-to-date information in school that what you are claiming.
I left the reference, you can look it up in the transcripts if you like.
Not every school district uses the same books now do they? Unless you would like to twist this truth as well. Have you ever heard of the school board book voting commitee? It's a meeting were you can vote on which books should be used in schools. And because no two teaching books are the exact same. Some books will have Haeckel's ideas, some won't.
Sorry, but this is just cheap rhetorical grandstanding ,and fantastic, cult-of-personality vilifying of ancient whipping boys Haeckel and Darwin. I find it odd that so many others who developed this entire fireld of study are being left out.
- back on topic tho.....I'm still not seeing where evolution is a "religion"???
Creation was a part of science, and therefore so was God. Why else would both of these people make these remarks?
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Side note: The last two quotes I put in italics because I exceeded ten quotes in one post. Forum program does not allow more than 10 quote boxes per post.