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Hey y'all, Hope all is well. I watched an interesting youtube vid on John Ankerberg show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuWAUnQN1HQ Old earth vs Young earth. There were some very interesting and captivating responses from all of them. I wanted to see if you would of said anything different from what was spoken on the show? Also, I have a few questions: - Is John Ankerberg bias against young earth? - Does the genesis account truly support young or old earth in your opinion? - 35min Hugh Ross - "for ye number and length of six days, by what is set above, you may make ye first day as long as you please, and ye second day too." Did Issac Newton believed in old earth? Many thanks in advance

Hey y'all, long time no see hope all is well. I believe in a Young earth creation and was doing a bit of study on the Gap theory or Old earth creation which I may have misunderstood in the past. So I am here to hopefully to get some clarity with what I originally thought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Earth_creationism I've been a Kent H*vind fan on Young earth creation, the Holy bible makes sense perfect sense of how the Lord created everything in existence according to the genesis account. However, when I recently looked up Old earth it said something which I may have missed in the past "In the beginning ... the earth was formless and void." and "This is taken by Gap creationists to imply that the earth already existed, but had passed into decay during an earlier age of existence, and was now being "shaped anew"." I have a few questions on the Gap or Old earth creation and do appreciate your time in responding: 1. If GOD is timeless, eternal and created everything; how would you interpret that particular scripture Genesis 1:1-2? 2. If GOD aged the universe or leaped forward since being unaffected by time, do you apply a 24hr literal day to the creation account once GOD has aged the universe or long period (yom)? 3. When I listen to Hugh Ross on the Old earth creation, he explains a long period (yom) during the 7 day creation account. Is Yom used after GOD has aged the universe? If so, on day 3 the vegetation, plants, fruits, etc, was created but day 4 the lights were created; sun and moon? Is the long period (Yom) still in process during the creation account day 3 and 4? If so, how would the plants survive without sunlight? 4. How long is the Yom period between each creation day? Thanks in advance

Last I checked...it is a Proven Pact of lies LOL Happy new year 2017!

I think it more than reasonable to believe in a young earth.

Loving the response by Enoch and Gilbo, masterful. That "Who created GOD" argument use to puzzle me a bit but good to know our very own William Lane Craig and other Christian apologists have answered this.

Hey y'all, long time no see hope all is well. I was pondering on Evolution vs Creation and thought why the big bang is a theory? What scientific method would they use to be able to test the big bang or have I misunderstood? I thought it was more like a hypothesis then a theory. Thanks in advance

Thanks Enoch good to hear from you old friend. "Crocheting" lol. Ah I see. I was watching the Richards Dawkins vs John Lennox debate/dialogue and found it interesting when the big bang was mentioned a few times which led to me here to open it up.

I remember posting this but forgot to bookmark my threads. I have now lol.

Hey guys, I searched the forum and noticed the movie title wasn't mentioned. Just wanted to post it in case some of you might not of heard the movie before: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2528814/?ref_=nv_sr_2 I found it very interesting and enjoyable to watch starring actor Kevin Sorbo (atheist professor) who persecutes one of his student (Christian). You may differ but I liked it.

Ah yes, that makes perfect sense now when you read Exodus 20:11! I re-read Genesis 1:1-5 and verse 5 completes the first day. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." I appreciate your input. As for my own Faith I am basing it off the word of GOD and believing everyword. For example; if GOD said "He created the heaven and the earth or Jesus walked on water, or raised from the dead", etc, it is quite normal for a Christian like myself to go on Faith without evidence and believe in the word of GOD. Is this not part of our Christian Faith? I understand Hebrews 11:1 but when I read Ephesians 2:8-9 it is clearly talking about Faith alone. Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." I don't know what you mean by Blind Faith until looked I it up? Why would you accuse or warn me of possibly having Blind Faith (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blind-faith)? Maybe I need to go back to the basics and understand what Faith is? As for evidence, that is only a concern for the non-believers not for the believers my friend because it has clearly been shown in Romans 1:20 or have I misinterpreted? cheers P.S My friend Enoch, I really do appreciate your input and will always try to respect you as best as I can. I believe I have all the answers you have given me on Old Earth Creation and very well please with it. I have another thread if you can please take a look: http://evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6494-speciation-divergent-and-micro-evolution/

Thanks piasan I do know the difference. I know I kind of hijacked the OP and took it somewhere else Absolutely! I remember watching a Christian movie "GOD's NOT DEAD" and one of the reference was used by John Lennox "Nonsense remains nonsense even for Stephen Hawking" It kind of reminded me of Venter how you were describing "Wonderful". Hmm I always wondered but never got around to it. I have a question for evolution: 1. Why are insects, animals, hamo sapiens, etc, have almost a perfect outline or perpendicular in design? Why is it not a random design? (hope that makes sense) Example: http://www.bestanimations.com/Animals/Insects/Butterflys/butterfly-animated-gif-32.gif

Enoch, that was very helpful thank so much for your insight! You're exactly right. I have a habit of using wikipedia as a reliable source because sometimes nothing else is listed on the google search? I should of explained it further why I asked these questions. In my circle of people and friends I am dealing with different worldviews and some believe in the Gap and evolution theory. So I wanted to use apologetic to hopefully shred some light on why YEC makes more sense? Obviously, it would be a future reference to use and be ready in and out of season. My apology Enoch, I assume everyone knew it is referring to Genesis 1:1-2? I am not quite sure what you mean by "Game Over"? Am I missing something or could you kindly elaborate for me please? Interesting, I am starting to notice why it is recommend to read KJV. NIV uses "...the heavens..." and KJV uses "...the heaven...". I know that is common for the average bible reader but how would OEC interpret this scripture when yom is used as a long period? I think this will be answered by question 1? Ops I forgot to mentioned I only heard him when he was debating brother Kent H*vind. I never agreed with Hugh Ross since it didn't feel right what he was saying. I like watching all the YEC like Jason Lisle, Ken Ham, but brother Kent H*vind is my favorite and so please to see him released and with his family. I always believed in the bible when I became a born-again and had no choice but to go on Faith since it's impossible to please GOD without Faith. Until I heard and studied the creation model it brought everything into perspective and totally changed the way I view our universe. Now I have confidence when I share to the people/friends in my circle. We always hear Jesus is the answer but when I actually hear questions answered it literally means no questions on GOD is unanswered. Thanks for the link I will read it now and post back

Hey y'all, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergent_evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microevolution I remember watching Kent H*vind's videos on this and led me to look up. Are there really a distinction between all three? They seem like a variation of the same type e.g. darwins observation on the finches?

OK, cheers! lol this is similar to Albert Einstein who believed in some higher power "Spinoza GOD" yet but he doesn't call himself an atheist but an agnostic? Why don't Venter become an agnostic if he believes in a higher power other than GOD? Great, now we see new atheism and the old atheism taking the position of not believing in GOD but someone like Venter can believe in a higher power but still call himself an atheist? I don't get your worldview? It's like 2.0 USB upgrading to 3.0 USB lol and altering on the GO like trying to define evolution? Now we see the same with the atheism worldview? Don't mind me I am only voicing my opinion

I was implying to macroevolution being unscientific and the 3 above is observable. Isn't that what you were saying "..but I don't think they are "proof" of macroevolution."?

That video of Craig Venter is interesting. Is he a creationist?

I always knew this was unscientific but sometimes the 3 above can be a little confusing. I think I get the difference now. Thanks

Wow! Praise the lord Jesus! You are the man 'Enoch 2021', you gave them a boozooka!! I read all your comments and noticed the ones who defend evolution only pick one or two lines to respond to and then hide away lol. I think evolution works the way; pop and hide, pop and hide. Hey Enoch, can you respond to my thread on Old Earth, and gap theory please: http://evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6491-old-earth-gap-theory/ I am having some problem understanding the Old Earth and Gap theory?

Thanks guys, was hoping an Old earth creationist could answer this for me, no offense to the atheists and agnostics? Kind of quiet on this forum these days?

Hey y'all, I found this article and thought of the forum: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080320120708.htm I find it bizarre how this creature has been unchanged, and interesting enough the Evolutionist. Did reptiles lived in the same era as dinosaurs? Or are they originally classed as a dinosaur (reptile) but Man called it a separate group? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptile Noticed here "approx 8000yrs..they are evolving -- at a DNA level -- faster than any other animal yet examined.". Wow I wonder what happen to the slow process of millions of years? Why do evolutionists ignore the flood of noah so easily and the Holy Bible and the Lord GOD has been spot on right from the beginning?

Let's conclude the Lord GOD has been right from the beginning! Micro-Evo is all you can see and observed. Nice try mate! Nope. Gilbo, presented a really good argument. Science demands evidence but can't back their own Macro?

Thanks for the vids. Very interesting. I found another one on the Monster energy drink. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kixh-N5vdtU

I always wondered why many scientists and non-scientists say "creationist have no credentials or not real scientist"? It has become a broken record of excuses they use these days. Hey Gilbo, I am curious to know the particular question you asked your Professor? Forgive me I have missed it. Thanks my friend

Yep, you can count me in as one who doesn't follow the pope. Damn those pics of idol worshiping taking it to a whole new level lol.

hahaha I did one here: I'm gonna use it now thanks my friend