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If you are interested, feel free to introduce yourself in this forum. Just start a new topic with your name and go from there.

 

My name is Fred Williams and am the owner of this forum (you can find my bio here). I began this forum in early 2005, primarily to offload my guestbook, which was taking major hits and was becoming difficult to manage given its format.

 

The parent Evolution, a Fairytale for Grownups website has been online since July 1998.

 

I will personally focus most of my effort in the Bible section. Please read my warning post to Christians regarding the Evolution vs Creation debate, which will give you a better idea of where I am coming from.

 

Sincerely,

Fred Williams

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Fred, first of all congratulations on your fine looking website.

I was interested to see that in the "warning post" there was a tone of a seige mentality with talk of "the enemy" etc, which I found amusing although it could warrant some debate on it's contents on it's own merrits, as I feel there are some mistaken misrepresentations within. As this would be disrespectfull to your site's premise I would not presume to debate it with you.

 

However I hope I am still here at your invitation, in spite of the creed of the "warning post".

K.

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Fred although I am new to this forum an I am hoping to engage in some meaningful debate, I am already a little taken aback by your “warning post†for Christians entering the forums.

I just want to know if, as an agnostic evolutionist that I can participate on this forum and be treated fairly.

I am not “the enemy†for a start nor am I a tool of the devil. If this is the way I am to be treated, why should I think that the debate will be “honest and civilâ€ÂÂ.

You say

“occasionally you may stumble on a sincere truth seekerâ€ÂÂ.

Does this mean that evolution advocates are not sincere or seekers of the truth? As an evolutionist, I always respect the creationist I am talking to as if he/she is sincere and wants to know the truth, even if they disagree with me. I always attempt to use reason and persuasion and not insults, lies or any kind of misrepresentation.

It is insulting and a lie to say evolutionists

believe what they do despite any evidence presented to them

. I am an evidence freak – “show me the evidence†is my catch-cry.

“The committed evolutionist activist is always socially liberalâ€ÂÂ.

That’s also not true. I have a high moral framework and a high degree of responsibility to my fellow man.

“We know from the Bible that deep down they really don’t believe what they believeâ€ÂÂ

No, you don’t know what I believe deep down, but if you are genuinely interested in what I have to say, then I will join your forum in good faith. If not, then tell me and I will politely leave.

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Fred although I am new to this forum an I am hoping to engage in some meaningful debate, I am already a little taken aback by your “warning post†for Christians entering the forums.

I just want to know if, as an agnostic evolutionist that I can participate on this forum and be treated fairly.

Just as fairly as any creationist person on a evolutionist's forum is treated. But we don't cuss and bombard them with name calling.

 

I am not “the enemy†for a start nor am I a tool of the devil. If this is the way I am to be treated, why should I think that the debate will be “honest and civilâ€ÂÂ.

You say Does this mean that evolution advocates are not sincere or seekers of the truth? As an evolutionist, I always respect the creationist I am talking to as if he/she is sincere and wants to know the truth, even if they disagree with me. I always attempt to use reason and persuasion and not insults, lies or any kind of misrepresentation.

If you respected creationists on this board, you would not have made the mocking comment in one thread that you did. You more or less ear marked all the things every evolutionists that is anti-creationist say. I deleted the post because of that. Respect is earned, it is not given. So by your actions so far, I would have to say that I do not believe you on that point.

 

It is insulting and a lie to say evolutionists

. I am an evidence freak – “show me the evidence†is my catch-cry.

That’s also not true. I have a high moral framework and a high degree of responsibility to my fellow man.

 

No, you don’t know what I believe deep down, but if you are genuinely interested in what I have to say, then I will join your forum in good faith. If not, then tell me and I will politely leave.

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Did you know that evolution is the direct opposite of creation on "every" creation point?

 

http://creationwiki.org/Arguments_against_theistic_evolution

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Fred although I am new to this forum an I am hoping to engage in some meaningful debate, I am already a little taken aback by your “warning post” for Christians entering the forums.

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Starhopper, I realize unbelievers will be offended by the warning and would not expect them to understand, but it is a necessary consequence in trying to keep my forum from becoming an unproductive use of time for my fellow Christians. Note also that the things you took offense to came from the “rock of offense” (Rom 9:33), Jesus Christ, and were not merely my opinion. In each area where there is offense, I provide the relevant passage.

 

Fred

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Hello Fred,

 

Thanks for this site. It's not usual for Christians, Agnostics and Atheists to get on this well. Although there is debate here, the bickering is held to a minimum, and that is refreshing.

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The parent Evolution, a Fairytale for Grownups website has been online since July 1998.

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Ahhhh.... now it all makes sense! The main page to this is a classic. Fred, you've been in the biz for a long time!

 

And I'm with de_skudd, this forum is a great place to learn and dialogue. Ikester, runs a tight ship.

 

I'm probably a boarder-line trouble maker. :lol:

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Ahhhh.... now it all makes sense! The main page to this is a classic. Fred, you've been in the biz for a long time!

 

And I'm with de_skudd, this forum is a great place to learn and dialogue. Ikester, runs a tight ship.

 

I'm probably a boarder-line trouble maker. :lol:

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Judging from your Avatar I'd have to agree with the "trouble maker" comment :lol:

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Judging from your Avatar I'd have to agree with the "trouble maker" comment  :lol:

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HEY! That's my pup! Yours is worse then mine. Actually, there is a video that goes along with your avatar and I can't find it again. Do you know what I'm talking about? Can you PM it to me so we don't clutter up Fred's welcome section. :lol:

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HEY! That's my pup! Yours is worse then mine. Actually, there is a video that goes along with your avatar and I can't find it again. Do you know what I'm talking about? Can you PM it to me so we don't clutter up Fred's welcome section. :)

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I don't know if I can pm it to you, but you can save it from this source:

 

Posted Image

 

It's one of my favorites :lol:

 

Too bad the animation won't work on my avatar :lol:

 

Once you've clipped it from here (let me know), and I'll edit this post, and replace it with some pithy comments. And Fred'll never know what happened :lol:

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Once you've clipped it from here (let me know), and I'll edit this post, and replace it with some pithy comments. And Fred'll never know what happened http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/laugh.gif

De_skudd, we really stunk at covering our tracks here. Lol!

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I wanted to encourage everyone about welcoming newcomers. I know the "meat" of this forum resides in three sections (EvC, YEC and the Misc board) but the welcome area is still one of the most important.

 

If you've been here for a while, I want to encourage you to take a few minutes and drop in a welcome to the noobs.

 

Joining a new public board can be a little intimidating on its own. We can help take the edge off by being welcoming.

 

To those that already take the time... Thank you!!

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Hello everyone,

 

Thanks Fred for putting this site together.

 

I've been lurking here for the past 6 months or so and decided to join.

I don't plan on posting much as I haven't really seen any decent, novel

arguments / questions posted by the non-Christians that haven't already

been shot down / answered here or elsewhere on the internet.

 

About me... I'm a 56yo YEC SDA with a background in engineering.

I tend to have little patients for evolutionists nonsense (in fact I have a VERY

strong aversion to it) which causes me to limit my responses when

dealing with them.

 

My interests are in the Bible, thermodynamics and quantum mechanics.

 

I spend as much free time as I can researching those subjects.

 

My employment requires extensive travel tending to customer needs

which means I'm on the road... A LOT.

 

That leaves me little time for forum interaction with others of like interests

but it's nice to have someplace interesting to check in on once in a while.

 

Max :)

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Hello everyone,

 

Thanks Fred for putting this site together.

 

I've been lurking here for the past 6 months or so and decided to join.

I don't plan on posting much as I haven't really seen any decent, novel

arguments / questions posted by the non-Christians that haven't already

been shot down / answered here or elsewhere on the internet.

 

About me... I'm a 56yo YEC SDA with a background in engineering.

I tend to have little patients for evolutionists nonsense (in fact I have a VERY

strong aversion to it) which causes me to limit my responses when

dealing with them.

 

My interests are in the Bible, thermodynamics and quantum mechanics.

 

I spend as much free time as I can researching those subjects.

 

My employment requires extensive travel tending to customer needs

which means I'm on the road... A LOT.

 

That leaves me little time for forum interaction with others of like interests

but it's nice to have someplace interesting to check in on once in a while.

 

Max :)

 

Pleased to meet you Max, I hope you enjoy your time here.

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Welcome, Max.   It's nice to see someone else with an engineering background.

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Welcome, Max.   It's nice to see someone else with an engineering background.

 

 

Pleased to meet you Max, I hope you enjoy your time here.

 

Thanks for the welcome guys.

As previously stated my social interaction time is very limited, however, I hope to

make the most of it.

 

Max :D

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Hello everyone,

 

Thanks Fred for putting this site together.

 

I've been lurking here for the past 6 months or so and decided to join.

I don't plan on posting much as I haven't really seen any decent, novel

arguments / questions posted by the non-Christians that haven't already

been shot down / answered here or elsewhere on the internet.

 

About me... I'm a 56yo YEC SDA with a background in engineering.

I tend to have little patients (sic) for evolutionists nonsense (in fact I have a VERY

strong aversion to it) which causes me to limit my responses when

dealing with them.

 

My interests are in the Bible, thermodynamics and quantum mechanics.

 

I spend as much free time as I can researching those subjects.

 

My employment requires extensive travel tending to customer needs

which means I'm on the road... A LOT.

 

That leaves me little time for forum interaction with others of like interests

but it's nice to have someplace interesting to check in on once in a while.

 

Max :)

Emphasis added

 

Welcome Max.

 

You ought to try being a moderator. :P There have been numerous times where I've had to restrain myself from clicking that ban button when evolutionists come through here rattling off the same, lame, straw man arguments that have been addressed over and over here, like they think they're presenting something new.

 

Like I said, welcome and happy posting.

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hello,

i am angela ketty and new here.

thank you for adding me in this forum.

contact for

name=angela ketty

mail id=angelaketty123@gmail.com

website=Dissertation help

 

Hello Ketty, so tell us what brought you here, what are your science and other interests?

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hello,

i am angela ketty and new here.

thank you for adding me in this forum.

contact for

name=angela ketty

mail id=angelaketty123@gmail.com

website=Dissertation help

Welcome to the forum. :)

I hope you enjoy yourself here.

 

Max

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Welcome, Scott.

 

Hope you enjoy your stay....

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I see we have three new members in the last 24 hours: Geraldjup, Leinda, and CharlesHOT.

Welcome to all.  I look forward to interesting discussions with all of you.

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