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I'm new here but I'm very keenly interested in the subjects at hand and so I thought I'd introduce myself. My background is in engineering and I've always had an interest in astronomy as a hobby. My dad was a design engineer with the space program and so I was fortunate to have grown up in that environment. I was also raised in a strong Christian home and I became a Christian when I was in high school.

 

I was asked by a group from my church to teach an adult class on the science behind Genesis. I had never really studied Genesis before and so I started off pretty low on the learning curve.

 

When I initially began the study, I was (more-or-less) a YEC. I read through everything I could find by Dr. Kurt Wise and watched countless lectures of his on youtube. The things that he taught made a lot of sense to me at the beginning and I was happy that he had answers for some of the apparent discrepancies between YEC and traditional science. I even emailed him once and was thrilled when he answered my email.

 

However, as I continued to read things that he had written, I started to question the validity of his interpretations. When I got to the Rapid Plate Tectonics theory for explaining how Noah's flood caused the geologic layers, there were so many things that didn't make sense and were contradictory that I knew it wasn't a valid theory.

 

I'll spare you guys all the details, but I'm now an old earth creationist. The thing that finally pushed me over the line was when I realized that the only thing people base a 6000-year-old earth on is the genealogies in the Old Testament. In reading through them and trying to diagram the relationships (try it sometime - it's really interesting), I realized that they are contradictory in many places and the only way to smooth out the discrepancies is to assume that the genealogies are "telescoped" - that is, that generations have been left out. And then, if generations have been left out, the 6000-year age of the earth is not correct. If we assume enough telescoping, the length of time back to the first humans in Genesis starts to line up with that of traditional science. I think the specific example that finally made me say, "Hmmm" was comparing the four generations between Levi and Moses with the 11 generations between Joseph and Joshua. (Levi and Joseph were contemporaries, as were Moses and Joshua.)

 

I'm still struggling with how to correlate the evidences of the things that we see in nature with a literal interpretation of Genesis. I've become fascinated by this whole subject and the people around me at church and my other friends and family don't have as much of an interest and have no desire to discuss any of this. I had one person say to me, "It's all just a matter of faith," and walk away. So thank you for letting me join your group. I look forward to learning many new things and reading about different views and interpretations.

 

...sorry that was so long...

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Welcome! Enjoyed reading your intro. To me the puzzle looks so much clearer from the YEC perspective.

 

My buddy works in a limestone quarry in a common corner of Pennsylvania. All the fossil plant life is a real nuisance to their operation. There was a lot of living stuff buried really fast around this planet not too long ago. This planet was obviously rearranged really fast by my observation.

 

Maybe you'll be blessed with the answers you didn't realize were our there hanging here.

 

Welcome :)

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Welcome to the forum :D

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Hi welcome.

that is, that generations have been left out. And then, if generations have been left out, the 6000-year age of the earth is not correct. If we assume enough telescoping, the length of time back to the first humans in Genesis starts to line up with that of traditional science.

 

4,500,000,000 (age of the earth in evo model) divided by 30 (average generation time)=150,000,000 generations left out by the authors. That is a LOT of generations excluded.

 

Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience; . . . Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know.3

 

http://www.icr.org/article/838/

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Thank you for the welcome, everyone! It's nice to be here.

 

Sammy - I actually do believe that the "yom" of Genesis should be interpreted as 24-hour days. I've studied the Hebrew enough to know that there's really no way to interpret that word as anything else. Also, there are other Hebrew words that could have been used if a longer time period was intended.

 

I guess my main point with the telescoping of the genealogies in the Old Testament is to point out that a belief in a 6000-year old earth is not properly deduced.

 

I have actually done the math behind the amount of telescoping of the genealogies and the time that traditional science says that modern humans were developing on earth. They are much, much closer this way than when a 6000-year old earth is considered. My apologies - I don't have my notes in front of me and I don't have time to dig them out now.

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Welcome to EFF.

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Hello and welcome! We'll try to get you back off the ledge. smile.png For starters, there are more than just the genealogies that get people in the YEC camp, there is also the death before sin problem. Consider this thread. Scientifically, the Young Earth vs Old Earth section has lots of valuable threads. You could also check out Real Science Radio's annual broadcast where we feature our List of Not So Old Things.

 

Fred

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Hello thingsthatsqueak (boy that was a mouth full! ;) ) Welcome, I hope you enjoy yourself here.

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