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Yes, I'm in the midst of a couple battles now. LOL! Also at BaptistBoard. Looks like Strean's closing in on $20K. Says he thinks he can produce season 1 for $150K, which would be amazing.

Hey all. Haven't visited here in a while, but wanted to ask for your opinion on Ralph Strean's new idea for a science bible documentary series (Strean was the producer-director of the Genesis 3D movie). His new series will be a documentary that will challenge the rebooted 'Cosmos' series featuring Neil deGrasse Tyson (who succeeded Carl Sagan). Strean's show, 'Quantum' will feature Dr. Charles Jackson—a brilliant creation scientist and apologist—piloting a time-traveling spaceship (a space-time ship), teaching the true biblical history of our world. (You can view Dr. Jackson's video testimony here - highly recommended). The ship can go anywhere and anywhen, past or future. Check out the info below and let me know what you think. Here's a blog on the series: Ralph Strean’s ‘Quantum’ series takes on ‘Cosmos’ Fundraising just started. Here is the IndieGoGo page for more information.

I checked out the link, but statistics without context won't do us much good. My point was that some disparities can be caused by things that aren't racism, such as bad choices, and bad cultural elements. What statistic can you point to, in proper context, that you think point to racism as the actual cause? You can point to group A having more problems than group B, but that alone doesn't mean there is bias against group A. I could mean that group A is making bad choices. IOW's the statistic alone don't ell us either way. And furthermore, if there really isn't a bias, but group A believes there is, there really is no hope, for no one is focusing on the true enemy. The solution might be exposing racism, but if that's not the real cause, it will only contribute to the delaying of the real solution, and contribute to the problem. IOW's if you're wrong about this, you're actually hurting those you're trying to help.

Maybe you could at least explain this to me. What exactly is the evidence you're presenting for institutional racism? One of the things I fear in our country is racism being manufactured if it's not really there, so as to explain away disparities within communities. Sometimes disparities can be influenced outside causes like racism, but it can also be the result of internal causes like choices and bad cultural elements. This result then can be people seeking out racism where it doesn't really exist, and accusing people who aren't really racist. I think falsely accusing an innocent person of racism is just as evil as racism itself. Would you agree?

Just watched this with my wife and kids. What a blessing! It's a story all kids know, mainly because of some very cool cartoons that have been produced (Joseph Dreamer of Dreams, and Prince of Egypt). But we all know they'll be told later by their teachers "it never happened." There is just "no evidence for this event." Well, this documentary squashes that notion, showing evidence for the specific land the hebrews settled, evidence of their multiplication, evidence of their enslavement, evidence of their sudden departure, evidence of their conquests in Canaan, etc. It also shows the struggle going on within Judaism which is akin to what we see in the church. Many rabbis are leading the charge in claiming the Torah need not be read literally nor as actual history. Where have we heard that before. And it's very relevant to the creation debate in that it exposes the fragility of Egyptian chronology which really is the foundation of all ancient chronologies. Very professionally done. TV quality. I highly recommend it for adults and kids about 12 and up. It's a 3 part documentary, each about 40 minutes. We spread it out over 3 nights, as it's a lot of information. You can purchase it from Answers in Genesis among other places.

But how do you have interbreeding without a common ancestry? An honest question. Dogs for instance can interbreed with wolves and coyotes, but everyone knows that that's because they go back to a common ancestor. I would think the fact that neanderthal's interbreeding with humans proves this. I'm no expert though. Maybe you can enlighten me as to how else this can be.

I don't think those examples would work for the original Eden rivers though. There we have a river splitting into rivers.

YEC theory is really just the idea that God can make something fully functional instantly, like the wine at Cana. He doesn't need to wait for processes to unfold. My question really doesn't pertain to the when or how, though. I'm just trying to come up with a scenario in which a river could split into 4 headwaters. From what you're telling me, it can and does happen today. It would seem Eden only needed to be somewhat elevated and to be on or near a place with a lot of precipitation.

Does anyone have any theories about the sources of the Eden river system? It's said to have flowed from the Garden and split into 4 headwaters. Thus the Eden river must have been quite powerful and large to split into 4 smaller rivers. (normally rivers converge to make a larger river) What was feeding it? Did it have a subterranean source? Was the Garden on high ground? Did precipitation feed it or was it a combo of precipitation and subterranean sources?

I see no reason why you can't use that word to clarify the sense of evolution you are referring to. Just thinking out loud, though, it would seem to focus people on the meaning of mutations, and perhaps hurt the theory in general. Don't creationists like to focus on the inadequacy of mutations to make more complex designs? It's kind of like a Honda Civic getting in an accident once in a while and each time becoming more like an airplane.

Symbiotic relationships are akin to the chicken or egg question? That's a new one.

I too have issues with the catholic church, but let's face it, most protestant denominations have gone astray on origins as well. The rejection and distrust of a straightforward reading of Genesis is an epidemic in all of christendom. I did spy this information, though. List of Catholic creationist organizations

Try to keep in mind the brevity of the Genesis accounts. These stories cover about 2000 years of history in all, and only key details are covered. If you're not careful you can put assumptions between the lines that's aren't justified. But there are gaps of time often between the lines, that may not be caught by the casual reader. You have to interpret everything, even posts here. Read everything carefully to make sure you understand the intent of the original authors. That way you can defend or refute it properly.

Cain marrying his sister would not be incest. Incest is a modern term, and laws against close marriage in the Bible were not implement until Moses' day. Creationists believe the genetic pool was very clean before the flood, and thus no harm would come from close marriages. Also there are a lot of misconceptions about the population at that time, as well as Cain's marital status. Did you know that Cain was likely over a century old when he killed his brother Abel? This is fairly easy to determine as Seth was deemed to be Abel's replacement and Seth was not born until Adam was 130 years old. The first command God gave to Adam and Eve was to multiply, and I believe they did that at an astonishing rate. There's no way they only had 3 boys after 130 years. Jewish tradition holds that Adam and Eve had 56 total children. Scripture merely tells us they had other sons and daughters, leaving the possibilities open. I believe Cain was already married when he killed Abel and already had several generations of children. I believe Abel did as well. Not only this I believe there are several other siblings of Cain and Abel who also had large clans at the time of Abel's murder. Jewish tradition also supports this, which at the very least tells us that they read Genesis much like I do. Some pitfalls you may want to avoid regarding Cain and his wife: 1) The Bible never says Cain found a wife in Nod. (jewish tradition says that both Cain and his wife were banished from the land together) 2) The Bible never says Cain and Able were the only descendants of Adam on earth at the time of Abel's murder. 3) The Bible never says Cain started having children after his banishment from the land. (jewish tradition holds that Cain sent for his extended family after he arrived in Nod.) An in depth article that may be helpful: Cain’s Wife Still On Trial

I've checked out the first 2 videos, and would definitely give this a thumbs up. It would also seem that any laymen could facilitate this curriculum, but I still believe this would be better lead by people versed in this debate. The presentations are short but concise. The graphics are modern and very professional, but the real value is the group discussion afterward. Like I said, virtually everyone on this board versed in the sciences would double or triple the value of this study. Now I wouldn't quiet put myself in that category, as I'm weak on the scientific aspects of this debate, but I think I'm around it enough to get by. And I would be able to field the biblical objections that are likely to come up, "uh, hey, the Bible doesn't really say how old the earth is...." or "does it really matter whether we interpret Genesis this way?....." that type of stuff. I also believe this is a good tool for seekers as well as seasoned christians, but I think christians need it more. The church really needs to be reformed in this area, and I think the outreach needs to start there. There are some very seasoned christians that have never even considered this issue. It's just not something commonly dealt with in churches. FC, you'd be the perfect facilitator for this study. Hope you're able to convince your church to invest in it.