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Posted 15 June 2007 - 11:54 PM

The more I surf the web, the more I see these hate sites. Sites that brew such hate and extremism, they even discuss burning bibles and killing Christians. The whole goal of each site is to classify anyone who believes in God as a lower life, and lower intelligence. Claiming that any child brought up in such an atmosphere cannot compete in today's society. And that if we get to many of these lower classified, categorized humans in our society. Our nation as a whole will supposedly fall.

1) So how did Christians become such a threat to whole nations?
2) How did people start classifying us as lower humans and why?
3) How is it that all Christians are classified as brain damaged?
4) How is it did we get classified as a virus upon the human race?
5) How did our reading material (the bible), get classified as material to burn in book burning events?
Etc....

So what is the end game of the God and Christian haters as they separate us from society, take away our rights and treat us as second class citizens? Is there a plan?

In past history, this was done before. Can anyone think of who did this, and what the end plan was? And even back then, what was one of the ideas that was the main driving force to separate those who did not agree?

If anyone needs examples of these Christian hate sites. I can leave several links. And they all use a particular idea as one of their main driving forces for their hate, tactics, and attitude towards all Christians.

If the end goal is not what one person did in past history, and a war was fought over it. Then maybe someone could enlighten us to what this goal is? Because I have yet to see any attempt to separate a group of people from the society they live in, that did not end up as one side killing the other. And the killed were always the ones who were looked down upon by the ones who insist that they are some how better.

Also, I do not see anyone who believes in the same theory as they do, saying anything against what they do. Or what their site promotes. Not even one website disagrees with it. I take this as condoning it. Or would someone like to correct this by proving me wrong? I think I will leave link examples:

Warning, links below contain vulgar language and pics.

Flash movie about science replacing religion.
http://gods4suckers.net/
http://www.fstdt.com/
This youtube video.
Richard Dawkins hate as he blasts a student at a school.
http://hellboundalleee.com/
http://www.godawfultruth.net/
God awful truth movie.
http://www.graveyard...b3fe220fbfdca93
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php
http://www.rationalr...ders.com/forums
http://www.flamewarrior.com/

Everyone of those sites have one thing in common. Care to guess what it is? Hate for Christians, and the love for evolution. And everyone of them implies killing Christians, or just comes right out and say it. These are only a few examples. There are 100's of sites, blogs, forums, movies, etc... Promoting this.

Also, why is it that when they are exposed, they run and hide? I did a webpage on the hate spewed from FSTDT.com. I linked to their most hateful pages about Christians on that site. And because they are cowards about what they said. They deleted the pages so my links go to no where. Here is where you can get examples of how the hate is hidden when exposed: http://www.yecheadqu...evo_hate.6.html (note, very vulgar pics on that page.) When I find the corrections to those links. I will post them but leave the old ones as examples.

Now some of you might say: These are extremists. Well, how does science promote extremism and still remain science?

Here are some sights that promote killing of Christians:
Note: sights contain vulgar words and pics.

http://www.petitions...eenjrnfcwknmrjn
http://www.worldnetd...RTICLE_ID=51955

And who agrees:
http://www.frontpage...le.asp?ID=25506

First we get separation of church and state which weeds out most of the Christians in government. Then we have 9-11. Then we have open borders to allow all those who want to kill the Christians through our borders.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 09:00 AM

Without reading all, I have a reply. There is only one God. There is only one Satan. God has only one message. Satan will use ANY message. If Satan used only one we could easily disprove it. We could show that the Bible is correct and Satan's one message is false. But when there are so many false messages the challenge is greater. Satan's only goal is to get as many as he can to look away from God. Satan does not have to prove anything, just say "Hey! Look at this shiny new idea" and he achieves his goal.

Christians become wrong by default. We don't get excited by the new trends in philosophy, so we are relegated to inflexible, old fogy status. What people don't consider is that just because it is an old idea, does not make it in need of replacement. I don't know of anybody giving up on oxygen.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 10:48 AM

The more I surf the web, the more I see these hate sites. Sites that brew such hate and extremism, they even discuss burning bibles and killing Christians. The whole goal of each site is to classify anyone who believes in God as a lower life, and lower intelligence. Claiming that any child brought up in such an atmosphere cannot compete in today's society. And that if we get to many of these lower classified, categorized humans in our society. Our nation as a whole will supposedly fall.

1) So how did Christians become such a threat to whole nations?
2) How did people start classifying us as lower humans and why?
3) How is it that all Christians are classified as brain damaged?
4) How is it did we get classified as a virus upon the human race?
5) How did our reading material (the bible), get classified as material to burn in book burning events?
Etc....

So what is the end game of the God and Christian haters as they separate us from society, take away our rights and treat us as second class citizens? Is there a plan?

In past history, this was done before. Can anyone think of who did this, and what the end plan was? And even back then, what was one of the ideas that was the main driving force to separate those who did not agree?

If anyone needs examples of these Christian hate sites. I can leave several links. And they all use a particular idea as one of their main driving forces for their hate, tactics, and attitude towards all Christians.

If the end goal is not what one person did in past history, and a war was fought over it. Then maybe someone could enlighten us to what this goal is? Because I have yet to see any attempt to separate a group of people from the society they live in, that did not end up as one side killing the other. And the killed were always the ones who were looked down upon by the ones who insist that they are some how better.

Also, I do not see anyone who believes in the same theory as they do, saying anything against what they do. Or what their site promotes. Not even one website disagrees with it. I take this as condoning it. Or would someone like to correct this by proving me wrong? I think I will leave link examples:

Warning, links below contain vulgar language and pics.

Flash movie about science replacing religion.
http://gods4suckers.net/
http://www.fstdt.com/
This youtube video.
Richard Dawkins hate as he blasts a student at a school.
http://hellboundalleee.com/
http://www.godawfultruth.net/
God awful truth movie.
http://www.graveyard...b3fe220fbfdca93
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php
http://www.rationalr...ders.com/forums
http://www.flamewarrior.com/

Everyone of those sites have one thing in common. Care to guess what it is? Hate for Christians, and the love for evolution. And everyone of them implies killing Christians, or just comes right out and say it. These are only a few examples. There are 100's of sites, blogs, forums, movies, etc... Promoting this.

Also, why is it that when they are exposed, they run and hide? I did a webpage on the hate spewed from FSTDT.com. I linked to their most hateful pages about Christians on that site. And because they are cowards about what they said. They deleted the pages so my links go to no where. Here is where you can get examples of how the hate is hidden when exposed: http://www.yecheadqu...evo_hate.6.html (note, very vulgar pics on that page.) When I find the corrections to those links. I will post them but leave the old ones as examples.

Now some of you might say: These are extremists. Well, how does science promote extremism and still remain science?

Here are some sights that promote killing of Christians:
Note: sights contain vulgar words and pics.

http://www.petitions...eenjrnfcwknmrjn
http://www.worldnetd...RTICLE_ID=51955

And who agrees:
http://www.frontpage...le.asp?ID=25506

First we get separation of church and state which weeds out most of the Christians in government. Then we have 9-11. Then we have open borders to allow all those who want to kill the Christians through our borders.

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Yeah but there are hate sites of everything. I could find atheist hate sites, g*y hate sites, racism, ect...

Your posts seem to imply that you think Christians are being persecuted - and they certaintly are in some countries. But not in mine (America). Christians make up a whopping, correct me if I am wrong, 76.5% of Americans.

I don't really think the Dawkins link is a Christian hate message. His answer is pretty logical. I think it is unfair to categorize it so.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 01:09 PM

Christians are being persecuted. The strategy is simple, divide and conquer. And as Jesus said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." The Bible also warns of a time when men will no longer endure sound doctrine, but having itching ears they will surround themselves with teachers. Yet they will always be learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth (Jesus Christ). The road to destruction is wide, the road to life is narrow "And few are they who find it."

The most recent attack began in the late 1960s. Some people, Anarchists (revolution! brothers and sisters, change the country or burn it down), Radicals (let it all hang out man, I can live how I want and with who I want) and Hippies (Woodstock Nation! Don't trust anyone over 30. Off the Pigs/police. Free love/s@x.)

Time Line:

1968: No-fault Divorce starts in California and begins to move east.
1973: Abortion legalized.
1978: National Organization of Women tells women that their husbands, boyfriends and men in general are oppressing them, driving a wedge between husbands and wives. Adult Bookstores begin to proliferate. Hardcore P*rn*gr*phy more available. Movies and television begin to show more and more unGodly material.
1980s: No-fault Divorce completes its run across the country. Dial 800-DIVORCE and for $75 you're out. Cable service brings P*rn into homes and hotels/motels. Television shows a married couple lying on top of each other covered by a blanket.
1990s: Full decline. Divorce rampant among Christians and non-Christians. Satellite brings more P*rn to more places. NYPD Blue writers decide they need profanity and partial nudity on their show. One of the actors is asked about this and his reply is "Hey, it's the 90's." A character called Murphy Brown has a baby out of wedlock.
The internet appears and is immediately commandeered by P*rn producers. The sons and daughters of the Anarchists, Hippies and Radicals take to the virtual streets to shout their message, but the police cannot control them here and they are a moving target with servers in Uzbekistan and Croatia.


It is one great, big anti-God protest linked to those of like mind globally and it's on 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Satan's goal was to divide the family through deceit. Deception has always been his primary weapon. And he took about 30 years to do it. The Body of Christ was slowly, gradually led away by voices that were unGodly, divisive, creating discord and suspicion, fear and discontent.

And what characterized stable Christian communities in the early 1960s? Strong families, observance of the Commandments of God, helping your neighbor, making necessary sacrifices for your children, being good role models for others and having God's love made manifest in our everyday lives. What was taught in the Christian schools and Chrches was taken out of the building and actually lived out every day. But slowly, gradually, a few told us "We have a better way," "A freeer way." "A happier way." "A new way of living!" Forget your old, tired religion and traditions, we have the better, newer, modern way.

And now we are living through the fruit of that deception.



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Posted 16 June 2007 - 04:49 PM

Yeah but there are hate sites of everything.  I could find atheist hate sites, g*y hate sites, racism, ect...

Your posts seem to imply that you think Christians are being persecuted - and they certaintly are in some countries.  But not in mine (America).  Christians make up a whopping, correct me if I am wrong, 76.5% of Americans.

I don't really think the Dawkins link is a Christian hate message.  His answer is pretty logical.  I think it is unfair to categorize it so.

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I don't see that you have any problem with what is on those sites. Instead you justify what they do by trying to make it a lesser evil by saying someone else does it. That's like saying: It's okay to kill because other people do it.

Then you complain that it is unfair to categorize it. Well, I get categorized everyday of my life because of what those sites do. And you complain that I did it once here?

1) Do you get called brained damage, ignorant, stupid every day on forums blogs and website, as well as in e-mails?
2) Do you get threats just because of what you believe?
3) Do you receive harassing phone calls just for what you believe?
4) Are lies told constantly about you for what you believe?
5) Are your speech rights denied for what you believe?
6) Does the government make you conform to a category that ensures your freedom of speech is denied for what you believe?
7) And because of what you believe, are you ever jailed or killed for it?
8) Do your museums, that support your beliefs, recieve death an bomb threats?
9) Do you have problems with protesters standing outside with an attitude mean enough to want to kill you?
10) Do you have people signing petitions to try and shut you down just because they disagree with your message?
11) Do you get fired from your job because you won't conform to the view you disagree with?
12) Do you get failing grades just because you disagree with a theory that cannot be proven to an absolute?
13) Do you get denied recommendations from your teacher because you won't renounce your faith?
14) Do you get mocked in class by the teachers and students because you won't conform to an unproven theory?
15) Are you constantly told that you won't be able to compete in todays society unless you conform to evolution theory?

And you complain about one categorization?

There are two ways to kill a person.
1) Physically,
2) Character assassination through slander and false accusations. Attack family members in the same way.

Do you suffer these things (personal attacks) for believing evolution?

The reason you have a problem with being categorized is because you have never had it done to the extreme that it is done to others with whom you disagree with. And you don't like how it feels do you? Welcome to how it feels to walk in the shoes of your debate opponent.

Compared to what is dished to the average creationists on the web. This is less than .01% being dished back.

And about Christians making up over 75% of the population. How many of these claim to be what they are really not? Saying you are something, but not doing what is required to become one. Does not automatically make you one. In other words, if you claimed to be one right now, but did not do what is said is needed to do to become one. Does what you say automatically make you one?

When God weeds out the wheat from the tares on judgement day. I believe this number will fall to less than 50%. People can fool a poll, but they can't fool God on judgement day. This is one of the reasons God says: They thought themselves wise, but became fools. This actually applies to both sides of the issue. Why? To be able to fool God, makes God the fool. So those who say they are saved, but use their salvation to mock God through sin. Make themselves into fools.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 08:15 AM

Yeah but there are hate sites of everything.  I could find atheist hate sites, g*y hate sites, racism, ect...

Your posts seem to imply that you think Christians are being persecuted - and they certaintly are in some countries.  But not in mine (America).  Christians make up a whopping, correct me if I am wrong, 76.5% of Americans.

I don't really think the Dawkins link is a Christian hate message.  His answer is pretty logical.  I think it is unfair to categorize it so.

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OK, there are hate sites of everything. So that makes it OK to have hate sights of Christians?

Not being persecuted in America?! I live in America and see the persecution first hand. I believe the world was created less than 10,000 years ago in seven days. Even though there is NO science to support anything else, I am deemed an idiot. I believe it is wrong to murder unborn children, and am deemed an idiot.

I have had children attending school for about 20 years. Our Christian views are not allowed in school while ALL & ANY others are not only allowed, but also taught in school. Christianity is being systematically removed from the American society that Christianity built. We are not running from lynch mobs yet, but that will come. Do you think the murderers of Christians in the Sudan just started lopping off heads one day? No, they had to spend the time to set the stage. Did Hitler wake up one day and begin killing Jews? No, it took years of preparation. The American stage is set and the preparations are made. And we, Christians, know much worse is coming, even expect it. Prophecy cannot be denied.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 08:36 AM

Most of those sites like fstdt are commenting on daft posts by other people. People that I would imagine Ikester would not consider true christians. And yes, you are going to get idiots on pretty much every open forum on the internet.

You get idiots in all camps. They shouldn't reflect on the group as a whole though.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 02:59 PM

Hate sites are not good at all. Hating someone on the internet is as productive as screaming at paint on a wall. It doesnt do much at all, except making everyone around the screamer feel suddenly much more intelligent.

But, i do not think there is a persecution of Christians per say over any other type of hate message. I have seen plenty of sites that attack Atheists, saying that they are evil and should be killed and the such. I have seen 'Christian' sites rallying people to kill the Jews. Yea. It goes everywhere, from everyone, to everything.

Its not right in any light, be it against Christians, Atheists, bunnies, or hares. Hatred usually spawns from ignorance, and not knowing about what the subject to be hated is all about. Not many people take the time and effort to delve into that subject, and figure out what it is all about. After that, i dont think there is real hatred anymore, even if someone is very much against it.

Learning is the key. Everyone should learn about everything they can, and decide from themselves logically what is right and wrong. Maybe then all this hatred for everything would lessen.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 10:49 PM

Most of those sites like fstdt are commenting on daft posts by other people.  People that I would imagine Ikester would not consider true christians.  And yes, you are going to get idiots on pretty much every open forum on the internet.

You get idiots in all camps.  They shouldn't reflect on the group as a whole though.

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Only God can determine who is a true Christian. I have no such power. I can only determine by actions. But God overrides that by being able to look into the heart of the person.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 11:57 PM

Hate sites are not good at all. Hating someone on the internet is as productive as screaming at paint on a wall. It doesnt do much at all, except making everyone around the screamer feel suddenly much more intelligent.

But, i do not think there is a persecution of Christians per say over any other type of hate message. I have seen plenty of sites that attack Atheists, saying that they are evil and should be killed and the such. I have seen 'Christian' sites rallying people to kill the Jews. Yea. It goes everywhere, from everyone, to everything.

Its not right in any light, be it against Christians, Atheists, bunnies, or hares. Hatred usually spawns from ignorance, and not knowing about what the subject to be hated is all about. Not many people take the time and effort to delve into that subject, and figure out what it is all about. After that, i dont think there is real hatred anymore, even if someone is very much against it.

Learning is the key. Everyone should learn about everything they can, and decide from themselves logically what is right and wrong. Maybe then all this hatred for everything would lessen.

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There is a difference between a small following (I call them cults), and a huge following. I find that sites promoting hate and killing towards Christians-creationists have huge followings. I find sites that want to kill evolutionists, and G*ys have a small following.

Such as Phelps. He calls his ministry Baptists, but the Baptist organization will not reconize him. And his followers are small in number, and you can tell when they talk they are brained washed to the way they think. I can even picture them on judgement day trying to argue with God as He corrects them. Closed heart and closed mind always leads to a path of extremism.

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I read that article on the gods4suckers.net site and what the Portuguese did to the hidus was horrible

does anyone know if it's true?

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 11:04 AM

OK, there are hate sites of everything. So that makes it OK to have hate sights of Christians?

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Um..no. I was just pointing out that there are ignorant people all over the world and the internet is a quick and easy way to post their ignorance.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:45 PM

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Ignorance is not stamped out with knowledge. Strong emotions are involved as well. Not only are people taught that group XYZ are bad, they are also taught the emotions associated with group XYZ. Usually, a bad experience that happened to the teller or someone they know is added to confirm that the hate is justified by an event.

Those who believe in evolution often attach labels to themselves. Free thinker, Bright, Secular Humanist and others. They claim the battle is between reason and unreason, the rational and those who have faith. However, instead of engaging in calm, rational, reasoned discourse among themselves regarding those who think differently than they do, they accept the same generalizations (because someone from my group/tribe told me) and make statements like "I really want to hate these people" and encourage their fellows to engage in vicious attacks against the other side.


Vist http://www.darwincentral.org Take some time to read through the comments.





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Edit: By ikester7579: Try not to use the word lie. Some people get offended.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 10:03 PM

Since this subject is already heated, it's not a good idea to use offensive words if thread is to stay open. The subject itself is already offensive. Because I will try and edit to keep thread open. But if it gets out of control from either side. Thread will be closed. And if really bad, further steps will be taken.

This is a warning to all.

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Theres more. The chinese are going to ban the bible because of all the s@x and violence in it. basicly making it illegal to own one by the back door.

http://www.canada.co...f81c0abb75c&p=1

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 09:42 PM

Vist http://www.darwincentral.org Take some time to read through the comments.


What I think is funny about evolutionist's forums is that if they spent the time they use to fight religion, to find and test more evidence. I think they would have more answers for questions asked. I have yet to see anyone show me where attcking a group for their belief that is different from their own is part of the scientific method.

Also, they have about 10 threads going on AIG's museum. I still get a kick out of how that museum has them running scared. The publicity gained from this is far reaching. One could say that the museum's success is because of the hatred for it.

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What I think is funny about evolutionist's forums is that if they spent the time they use to fight religion, to find and test more evidence. I think they would have more answers for questions asked. I have yet to see anyone show me where attcking a group for their belief that is different from their own is part of the scientific method.


I also find it funny how many Creationists sites tend to bash Evolution, and even other sciences, because they do not either understand the concepts or do not wish to. That wouldnt help them prove their case any better in any way.

Also, debate is not the scientific method. It is a civil discussion about a subject, in which both sides try to show that their case is superior to the other's. It should all be in good fun.

Also, they have about 10 threads going on AIG's museum. I still get a kick out of how that museum has them running scared. The publicity gained from this is far reaching. One could say that the museum's success is because of the hatred for it.


It doesnt have them 'running scared', it has them red-faced furious. It takes years and years of dedication, research, and amazing discovery by scientists, and spits in the face of it. It soils not only Evolution, but Geology, Cosmology, and the whole of Biology. It would be equivalent as to setting up a Nazi museum proclaiming that the Holocaust never happened and the Jews were evil in the middle of Israel. It is that bad. And that is why they hate it, because it is just so sick and wrong.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 03:31 AM

Sorry, double post.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 09:30 AM

I also find it funny how many Creationists sites tend to bash Evolution, and even other sciences,


lol, Evolution is not a science.

And that is why they hate it, because it is just so sick and wrong.

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Teaching Lies is sick and wrong.

Teaching facts is neither sick or wrong. Even if you teach facts then in the future discover they are mistaken and then you remove them, that is not sick or wrong.

However if you discover that your facts are mistaken and you still continue to teach them, that is sick and wrong.

Can you think of any examples of that? I sure can. Want me to point them out? All I have to do is get my college biology book.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 05:06 PM

lol, Evolution is not a science.


Haha, silly silly, Evolution is pure science. Creationism is not even close.

Teaching Lies is sick and wrong.

Teaching facts is neither sick or wrong. Even if you teach facts then in the future discover they are mistaken and then you remove them, that is not sick or wrong.

However if you discover that your facts are mistaken and you still continue to teach them, that is sick and wrong.


Good we agree on that. So why are you still a Creationist?

Can you think of any examples of that? I sure can. Want me to point them out? All I have to do is get my college biology book.


Oh yes, i can show you so many examples of false facts from Creationism it will fill threads to the brim. But let us take that elsewhere, and not in this particular thread. Start them up and give an opening statement, and we can get started.




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