ikester7579

Many of you already know about the theology debate we have had in the Christian sections of this forum and that there was a falling out. I backed out of that to see where it would go. I have not posted anywhere in the forum since because I restricted (changed my admin settings) myself from being able to post to make sure I would not and observe instead, Many know why I am leaving so I won't go into detail. But I also don't expect to be followed by others here. I apologize for not being around to help others understand creation and to meet evolution head on. I apologize to the mod and admin staff for now they have to fill my spot. My leaving is my own decision and My banning from the forum is by my own request. I won't be back. May God bless you all. Issac E-mail: ikester7579@yahoo.com

You know Fred if this is what you allow from now on, on your forum I really see no need to stick around. If you wanted me to leave you could have just asked instead of allowing someone to make a total mockery of me with your blessings. I actually was going to tell Teejay off in this post with something really bad. But then I thought Fred agrees with all this so it's not really Teejays fault. And why should I mess up my testimony over someone who's really not worth it? But make fun of who you like but I won;t be a part of it and I don;t think any other member here should either. Maybe you can promote Teejay to my position. I am sure he would be happy to replace me. Why would you want a liar and a child of Satan as your admin as Teejay implies that I am? And why would a member here speak that way to an admin? Because he has the owner's blessings so what's to fear? Of course you will chalk it up to overreacting but I think you know it's gone beyond that. Happy Teejay?

1) Laws cannot randomly come together fully balance to work together to cause order instead of chaos.. 2) Matter cannot come from nothing, and nothing has never made anything. So something has to have always existed to make the rest. In other words a infinite universe (Heaven) has to exist in order for a finite universe to exist. Otherwise there is no natural explanation for the first cause or the first matter to exist. 3) Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed according to science. So matter cannot just appear in a finite universe. And the energy that is needed to create the Big Bang whether someone believes it exploded or spun till it flew apart had to come from a source. 4) Compressing all matter in the universe into a dot does not work because the laws of physics will not allow it. Every gas when compressed to a certain point becomes a liquid or a semi solid. From that point forward compression is impossible. To illustrate this better, ask a scientist to compress a glass of water into a dot the size of a period on this page. It cannot be done. So if a glass of water cannot be compressed that small how does one compress a whole universe? 5) How does a star form in a vacuum that will pull apart any particles that try to get together? Stars just don't form in what's deemed as a star nursery. It would take gravity to form from nothing to draw the particles together. And it has to be the right particles and enough heat caused by very strong gravity to start the fusion process. Does gravity just appear in space from nothing to cause this?

I can change it but it's not going to draw any evolutionists in here. They avoid the subject for a reason. You are not the first to put up a thread that has the sounds of crickets as far as evolutionists are concerned. Just chalk it up as learning which subjects cannot be addressed scientifically to solely support evolution.

I guess because it's morning and my brain is not quite woke up yet. I did not understand the OP. But I'm glad you put it into easier to understand terms. Thanks.

Was looking in my control panel to my website-blog when I noticed this link: http://wordpress-top-rank.info/ (don;t click on it). I thought wordpress, which is what program I use for my blog, let's see what this is about. I click only to have myself rerouted to another page that has a video trying to sell me something called "Commission Killer". It' supposed to be some type of program that makes you millions of dollars. So I was skeptic right from the start. So I tried to exit the page, a pop up pops up asking if leaving the page is really what I want to do. Except there is no option to leave anyway unless you look at their next offer to you. Now I know it's a scam. So I click to get it over with then exit the page, I looked up the supposed business on the internet to see if it was a scam and what I got was a bunch of websites that claimed to be giving a review etc... When they were just trying to sell the idea, Then I thought: If they went to all this trouble how much you want to bet they also installed something I don;t want on my computer. So I scanned and found a Trojan (spyware) on my pc. Considering I scan my pc about 5 times a week and I only go to certain sites, I know the Trojan was installed by them. also considering I just scanned it yesterday. So if you see this link or end up on the Commission Killer website. Make sure that you certainly don't buy into it, and scan you pc to make sure they did not install something. What is a trojan and why you need to be careful: A Trojan horse, or Trojan, is a standalone malicious program that does not attempt to infect files unlike a computer virus nor replicate itself with the intent of infecting other computers unlike a computer worm, a Trojan horse can make copies of themselves, steal information, or harm their host computer systems. There are several scam website like this popping up everywhere. So if you run into one that is like this make sure you scan you pc with your virus scanner and a good spyware scanner.

Could say the same about what you believe. Which is denying everything in the OT that it no longer applies. Maybe we should rip out the OT as well. The thing about compromise and denial of God's word is where does it stop? Where is the line drawn? Because if making a doctrine consisted of just denying all that disagrees with it then all the cult religions would be correct. Because this is what they do to make their weird beliefs work. They will also ignore any part of the Bible that does not fit into their belief and right it off as something that pagans believe. So Teejay, I will ask you questions outright. Do you believe that everyone whom disagrees with you is not saved? That what you believe is such absolute truth that anyone whom disagrees is a liar (which you have implied several times here using milder words)? Words like telling people they are dishonest etc... Also I don;t remember hearing what denomination you belong to. I'm non-denominational.

The thing about this is, Teejay has implied this on several occasions to me and others here, I even got a few complaints about it.. There are several ways to imply something is unbiblical, I prefer not to beat around the bush about it.

I see for Satan's counterfeit So that you can use it like Satan wants you to, ti deny God's power. 2tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Satan is able to "imitate" God to fool people in two ways: 1) To convince non-believers that he is as powerful as God. 2) To convince believers that Satan does this because a Satanic ritual produces the same thing so any and all of the acts are of Satan. You bought number 2. And then using number 2 you deny God's power. So what would you say your story is now? That God does not heal anymore, that God cannot use us as vessels to do His will in these things? Then what you believe and teach here is un-biblical because God says: I am the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow. Which means what He can do yesterday He will do today whether you believe it or not. But let's see what else you do making these claims that you cannot prove. Since it can be proven that this is your "personal" belief, all the actions that happen that are not Satanic but you label them as being such. You then accuse God of doing Satan's work. And then you convince others of the same thing, Which means what? Can you list a verse in God's word that actually says: 1) God does not heal anyone anymore? 2) That God will not make anyone ever speak in tongues anymore? You cannot provide these things because what you try to preach here is un-biblical. If not then provide the verses that support what you say and claim? But let's be honest shall we... You bought into this because someone you trust to teach you what the Bible says claimed it. So instead of confirming it or testing it like you are supposed to do you bought into the idea, right? This clam you made also confirms what I suspected about you since we started debating the osas debate. You buy into ideas that people preach whether it can be backed up Biblically or not. As long as a certain person you trust says it you accept it. Does not matter what the Bible says on such matters and this is proven even more when you cannot provide verses to prove what you clearly imply about God not being able or willing to do what He has done in the past. And your only defense is that some voodoo people can do the same thing? But let's take a biblical example just to prove what I'm telling you. In the story of Job, how did Satan kill Job's animals and family? He used supernatural powers to do this. When the one person who survived the killing of his sheep and workers came to Job to tell him, Examples of Satan having supernatural powers in Job 1::12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. 13 And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: 14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them: 15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. 16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. 17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. 18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: 19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. You see the Lord let Satan do these things. God did not say: Here's the power I give you go do these things. Satan already had them. So Satan can counterfeit God's power in instances God allows. And because the same power is there in Satanic worship who's power do you think that is? But if you deem that all power in this ability only falls into the hands of Satan, and use that logic to convince others of this. Then you truly deny God's power with a judgment power you do not possess. Making claims t you cannot prove with scripture which means you preach a different doctrine that is not of God's word.

Welcome to the forums.

I have posted a proposal for a formal debate on osas in the information section of this forum: http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5022

Yep. They can see it. the only time we would ever make it to where someone cannot is if they continually cause trouble or problems/

Teejay has challenged anyone more than once to have a formal debate on osas. So I have accepted because Fred said he would moderate it and even though he somewhat agrees with Teejay I know he is fair and impartial so I have no problem with this. Below is what was said by Fred and my response. Okay I'll do it. And I can think up some very good rules. 1) Every verse posted most be addressed unless it's not on the subject and is random talk. 2) If a verse is skipped the opponent has one chance to address it. 3) No fix all answers. What is claimed has to be explained and proven by the word of God, not denominational beliefs or individual beliefs. We are after truth that is supported by God's word. 4) If the answer to a question is not known then you have to say: I don't know. This will save a lot of beating around the bush. 5) Either side at anytime can call a timeout question. This is when more detail on what was said is needed for one side to better understand what is being talked about, or how something works. 6) Each side needs to agree that being wrong on some issues does not mean you are totally wrong. it only means that either your belief has to be adjusted to fit, and if it does not fit you may need to reexamine what you believe, Because if there is going to be a problem with admitting to being wrong then the debate is not going to work for either side. 7) Because some people may work, time between answers can take up to 5 days unless more days are needed and agreed to. Things can happen to make it not possible to get back here when we would like. 8) If the two opponents cannot agree with moderation on an issue it can be determined by a forum vote. And only those who understand the issue can vote unless the issue falls along the line of breaking rules. Then anyone can vote. 9) Grandstanding for your side is not allowed. Saying things like: To all, blah blah blah. The debate is not only for working out truth between opponents, but for the members as well. 10) like in a court room, the judge will call a side bar or the arguing parties can call a side bar. When their is a complaint about an opponents debating tactics the words "side bar:" will be posted along with the complaint. This is to show that what is said is not part of the debate and that the mod can address it. In this way the complaint can be separate from the debate. I also believe that a thread needs to be started on what each side believes. This thread is not a debate thread but an information thread. In this way each side gets to ask the questions needed before the debate starts so a lot of time is not wasted on trying to feel one another out on their beliefs. And it will also gives subjects to address from both sides. This can be part of the formal debate, if it seems like a better idea, that can last for a couple of pages before the debate starts. In this way the things said can be addressed as part of the debate. But I think it would be better as a separate thread. 11) There will be no name calling, no judgments, no categorizations. Either the word of God proves what you believe or you lose. 12) Questions that cannot be answered can be answered later if the opponent researches the subject and comes up with an answer. But of course not every questions can be answered. My philosophy in any debate is that I prefer to be proven wrong. That may sound funny but look at it this way. If you are really searching for truth what's the quickest way to get there? To be corrected so that you don;t waste time dealing with what is not true. So being right does not matter to me as much as having truth. Anyone who can argue halfway decent can look right. But having truth is much harder to achieve, and if my debate opponent cannot have the same attitude then I ask to what end do you debate? Now all that might make me sound like a push over to convince and you'd be wrong. I will accept what is said when it's proven and supported by God's "whole word". Not a verse here or there taken out of context. So if there a verse that contradicts then you have to make that fit. If it's ignored then you did not convince me. 12) It should also be agreed that there is no perfect denominational belief. No man can obtain God's perfect truth as for the same reason no denomination can be perfect either. There are no perfect churches and no perfect pastors. That we can only strive for as much truth as we can obtain. If the opponent on either side thinks their belief is perfect then the debate is a waste of time. Because someone who cannot be corrected on anything is not worth debating. 13) Leeway in the first few posts should be allowed on breaking rules until both sides understand the boundaries. After that there won't be an excuse. 14) Or a demerit system where only 2 or 3 points is allowed on breaking rules before person is booted out. If the debate causes bad attitudes these attitudes shall not be carried on after the debate or in other threads in open forum during the debate. 15) If this debate on osas stalemates, and they often do, each side can pick someone they know that believes as they do to carry on the debate if agreed to by both sides. If anyone else can think up some good rules or if certain ones should not apply and why I welcome the suggestions.

Just so everyone knows from an admin point of view. Most Christians here when warned will straighten up and they do not challenge or question mod or admin actions here. 99% of the atheists and agnostics won;t listen, won;t straighten up. And will challenge the mod and admin actions here every time. So which group will get leeway for listening and which group won't because they don't listen? The way I see it as to the reason it's this way: Atheists cannot stand being told what to do by people they consider to be pond scum. So therefore they won't and get banned for it. So that's not our problem nor is it bias. Because the difference in how we have to treat the two groups is made clear because the reaction to authority here is always the same from one group. But there are exceptions to the rule. We have had Christians here who would not listen either and they got banned. We have had atheist here who would listen and got to stay longer then most. One even made it to almost three years here once. But if you are going to act the fool, break the rules, and not listen you will get banned and it does not matter what group you belong to.

Another reason is that most evolutionists consider themselves above creationist pond scum and therefore feel that they most lower themselves to that level to debate. And also for that same reason it's very embarrassing when pond scum out debates them. The other reason is because they believe and promote humanism and hate it when creationists won't to their claimed supreme intellect.