The Hurricane!

[Guest Admin3]

Me, and a friend of mine, have been discussing God's Wrath. Because of what has happened in Israel with the Gaza strip. We knew wrath was coming, but did not know how. Why would God bring His wrath upon us for what happens in Israel? Because we supported it. You see, that land was given To Abraham by God. Now it's in the hands of those who hate God.

 

The Clinton Administration started this by really pushing the issue of giving up that land. Then this has not stopped with the Bush administration. It just is not pushed quite as hard. Within weeks of the land being given up, this hurricane comes. And over night in turns into a monster, and they are saying that it's the largest ever seen.

 

They are predicting close to 50,000 people will die. And that our economy will be devastated. Why? We have five oil refineries off the coast that the hurricane is now hitting. If they are destroyed, gas will go up between 5-20 dollars a gallon almost overnight.

 

Then we have the storm damage itself. The damage will be beyond the hurricane Andrew. Which was the biggest on record to date. So all insurance companies will probably go out of business. Plus government aid will be a one two punch to the budget.

 

They'll probably have to recall all our military back home. And if the terrorist hit us now, it will be even a bigger blow. This storm will determine who our real friends are around the world. And who is really our enemy.

 

But what happens to our economy does not just affect us. Because we do huge trade around the world, it will be a world wide affect. So God knew where to hit to affect everyone around the world.

 

It is now reported that there is over 100,000 people trapped. More than half will die. God is not mocked, and the people of America, and around the world, are fixing to find this out.

 

Sustained winds are clocked at 175 mph, with gusts over 200 mph. It is expected to have winds of over 200 mph, and gusts to 250 by the time it hits shore. This is because the water in front of it is hotter than the water behind it (91 degrees). The hurricanes that have hit the coast before, always had cold water before it. This one has hot water.

 

I live on the east coast of Florida. We are getting wind gusts here from that storm. And we are over 800 miles away. The eye of this storm is the largest ever recorded. 35 miles wide and growing. They say it could be 50 miles wide when It hits shore. The storm, from end to end, is as long as the state of Florida. All of this that is bad development, has happened in 24 hours. This is how so many got trapped.

 

Several thousand people pack the super dome for shelter. But even this storm goes beyond what that dome was built to stand. So it maybe a death dome before it's over with. For the next few days, weeks, and months. Science will try to explain how such a monster storm could build in 24 hours. They will blame it on Global Warming, our ozone, pollution etc.... But they will only be able to give theories where answers are needed. The science of weather told people that the storm will not be that bad. Now it the worse ever seen.

[st_dissent 0]

Umm...or its just a hurricane...

 

Now it's in the hands of those who hate God.

Don't the Palestinians believe in who they think is the Abrahamic God? I think your statement is harsh. Who hates God? The Palestinians? They believe in God; perhaps you think it isn't your God therefore a failure to aknowledge is an admission of hate.

[Guest Admin3]

Umm...or its just a hurricane...

Don't the Palestinians believe in who they think is the Abrahamic God?  I think your statement is harsh.  Who hates God?  The Palestinians?  They believe in God; perhaps you think it isn't your God therefore a failure to acknowledge is an admission of hate.

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Well, if you look into history. You will find that it is Allah who is God. And Allah takes the place of Abraham God. Allah actually replaced the God of Abraham by saying he knew Jesus (met him), plus a bunch of other stuff. This is why the Quran looks similar to the bible. Allah based most of his stories on what was written, plus stories told. And also made up his own.

 

Gas to jump 20 cents a gallon tomarrow.

[st_dissent 0]

So do you attribute all natural disasters to God's wrath? Why was God angry last year when we recieved multiple hurricanes?

 

The majority of people left in New Orleans were the poor, disabled, and elderly; those that couldn't evacuate the city as easily as everyone else. The majority of those killed by the hurricane will be of that group. Why would God punish Israel by killing these type of people in New Orleans? What did they have to do with it?

 

What about the Tsunami last year?

[Guest Admin3]

So do you attribute all natural disasters to God's wrath?  Why was God angry last year when we recieved multiple hurricanes?

 

The majority of people left in New Orleans were the poor, disabled, and elderly; those that couldn't evacuate the city as easily as everyone else.  The majority of those killed by the hurricane will be of that group.  Why would God punish Israel by killing these type of people in New Orleans?  What did they have to do with it?

 

What about the Tsunami last year?

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So, do I fall into the evolutionist trap question about God's wrath? Na.

 

Just like the evolutionist does not like falling into the "evolution being racist issue".

[st_dissent 0]

Luckily my Mom just moved from New Orleans to Chicago. Last year she had a home in the Navarre beach area (connected to pennsicola) that recieved damage from a hurricane.

 

A friend of mine evacuated with everyone and it took him 9 hours to get from New Orleans to Mississippi!

[The Debatinator 2]

The Muslims in Indonesia wouldn't let the Christians celebrate Christmas in their city and when the Muslims sent all the Christians out BAYUM!!!

 

 

The tsunami hit.

[Fred Williams 0]

The Muslims in Indonesia wouldn't let the Christians celebrate Christmas in their city and when the Muslims sent all the Christians out BAYUM!!!

The tsunami hit.

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I personally don’t ascribe to the hurricane or the tsunami being the wrath of God. It just has too many Calvinistic overtones. Not that God has not used such disasters for judgment, mind you, but far more often than not they are just part of this fallen world (unless you are a Calvinist ). Several passages of scripture immediately come to mind. Remember when Elijah became discouraged and “had enough”?

 

And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, also how he had executed all the prophets with the sword. Then Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, "So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I do not make your life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time." And when he saw that, he arose and ran for his life, and went to Beersheba, which belongs to Judah, and left his servant there. But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree. And he prayed that he might die, and said, "It is enough! Now, LORD, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!" - 1 Kings 19:1-4

 

Notice that Elijah assumed God was judging Him with these bad things befalling him. Or perhaps he had a Calvinistic moment and thought it was just God’s will. God then offered an awesome illustration that it was not He that was behind all the hardships befalling Elijah:

 

Then He said, "Go out, and stand on the mountain before the LORD." And behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice. - 1 Kings 19:11-12

 

God is telling Elijah that He does not pre-ordain all the calamities that come upon us in this fallen world. But He will be there with us, a still small voice. He is an awesome God!

 

Once more scripture to consider, that I believe is pretty solid support that we need to be careful not to speculate that disasters are judgment on evil men:

 

There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." - Luke 13:1-5

 

In Christ,

Fred

[Fred Williams 0]

Luckily my Mom just moved from New Orleans to Chicago.  Last year she had a home in the Navarre beach area (connected to pennsicola) that recieved damage from a hurricane. 

 

A friend of mine evacuated with everyone and it took him 9 hours to get from New Orleans to Mississippi! 

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I'm glad to hear your mom moved out before the disaster. A friend of mine lives in Ocean Springs, not far from Biluxi (sp?), and thankfully left before it hit. We're praying his house is still standing.

 

Fred

[Guest Admin3]

New Orleans is now on full evacuation. The pumps are over loaded, and are due to fail any moment, and the levies are weak, and are expected to break. And the flood waters are rising fast. The military is now using helicopters to search for people who can't get out.

 

This just announced. I guess we can say good bye to New Orleans.

 

I say this because it's going to cost a lot of money to pump that water out, and fix all the damage. Bush is going to have to make a decision, and either way, no one's going to like it.

[st_dissent 0]

The Muslims in Indonesia wouldn't let the Christians celebrate Christmas in their city and when the Muslims sent all the Christians out BAYUM!!!

The tsunami hit.

4422[/snapback]

 

The tsunami killed many different peoples of many different religions. Sri Lanka is composed of Hindus, Buddhist, Christians, and Muslims. The tsunami killed from each category indiscriminatly.

[Guest Admin3]

The Muslims in Indonesia wouldn't let the Christians celebrate Christmas in their city and when the Muslims sent all the Christians out BAYUM!!!

The tsunami hit.

4422[/snapback]

We should not sound like we rejoice in the demise of others. When judgement comes, we should pray that God's glory come out of it. In fact, God has worked through this disaster because none of the near by muslim countries lifted one finger to help those in Indonesia. But several Christians did. Which has put Christians in a whole new light in that country.

[The Debatinator 2]

I didn't mean it to be joyous.

[chance 1]

We should not sound like we rejoice in the demise of others. When judgement comes, we should pray that God's glory come out of it. In fact, God has worked through this disaster because none of the near by muslim countries lifted one finger to help those in Indonesia. But several Christians did. Which has put Christians in a whole new light in that country.

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I’m not sure of the figures involved but I would be surprised if Saudi Arabia or the other oil states did not send some aid for tsunami relief.

 

But you make an interesting observation – i.e philosophically the east (and I’m generalising very very broadly here, so no flames please) have a more fatalistic view of life, e.g. big disaster happens, they shrug there shoulders and say “it’s gods willâ€ÂÂ. In the west, there is a more “help your neighbour†attitude. Anyone agree/disagree.