What Do The Masses Really Believe?

[Cassiterides 1]

As the title says, what do the masses believe regarding our origins?

 

Although you hear evolutionists repeating their propaganda that the levels for support for creationism is low and that anti-evolution views are only held onto by 'religious fundamentalists' this could not be further from the truth.

 

Polls and research actually indicate that the masses DO NOT believe in evolution, but instead are either skeptical of evolution, having doubt over Darwins theory or are firm believers in creationism.

 

UK:

 

Majority of Britons say creationism should be taught in schools

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...ce-classes.html

 

Poll reveals public doubts over Charles Darwin's theory of evolution

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...-evolution.html

 

Half of Britons do not believe in evolution, survey finds

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb...vey-creationism

http://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/Half_of_Br...0&RefPageID=110

Britons Unconvinced on Evolution

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4648598.stm

 

Half of us think creationism should be taught alongside evolution

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/f...icle6889918.ece

 

America:

 

Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them

http://www.icr.org/article/gallup-poll-two...ieve-god-creat/

 

Substantial Numbers of Americans Continue to Doubt Evolution as Explanation for Origin of Humans

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/...n/evol-poll.htm

 

High Level Government Support for Creationism

http://www.rae.org/highlevel.html

 

On Darwin's 200th Birthday, Americans Still Divided About Evolution

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1107/polling-e...ion-creationism

 

Americans still hold faith in divine creation

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/j...8-111826-4947r/

 

100 Scientists, National Poll Challenge Darwinism

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/readclips.cfm

 

Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll

Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153

Majority reject evolution

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/...ain965223.shtml

[Guest cms13ca]

As the title says, what do the masses believe regarding our origins?

 

Although you hear evolutionists repeating their propaganda that the levels for support for creationism is low and that anti-evolution views are only held onto by 'religious fundamentalists' this could not be further from the truth.

 

Polls and research actually indicate that the masses DO NOT believe in evolution, but instead are either skeptical of evolution, having doubt over Darwins theory or are firm believers in creationism.

 

UK:

 

Majority of Britons say creationism should be taught in schools

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...ce-classes.html

 

Poll reveals public doubts over Charles Darwin's theory of evolution

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...-evolution.html

 

Half of Britons do not believe in evolution, survey finds

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb...vey-creationism

http://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/Half_of_Br...0&RefPageID=110

Britons Unconvinced on Evolution

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4648598.stm

 

Half of us think creationism should be taught alongside evolution

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/f...icle6889918.ece

 

America:

 

Gallup Poll: Two Thirds of Americans Believe God Created Them

http://www.icr.org/article/gallup-poll-two...ieve-god-creat/

 

Substantial Numbers of Americans Continue to Doubt Evolution as Explanation for Origin of Humans

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/...n/evol-poll.htm

 

High Level Government Support for Creationism

http://www.rae.org/highlevel.html

 

On Darwin's 200th Birthday, Americans Still Divided About Evolution

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1107/polling-e...ion-creationism

 

Americans still hold faith in divine creation

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/j...8-111826-4947r/

 

100 Scientists, National Poll Challenge Darwinism

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/readclips.cfm

 

Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll

Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49153

Majority reject evolution

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/...ain965223.shtml

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There is a comparison chart (I will look for it) that looks at opinions on whether people in evolution or creationism in different countries. United States ranked as one of the lowest in evolution believers just ahead of Turkey.

 

So what, if a majority of people doubt in evolution, which is an appeal to popularity fallacy.

[Guest cms13ca]

Here is the link to chart I mentioned, which was done in 2005:

 

Acceptance Of Evolution in Different Countries

[gilbo12345 859]

Here is the link to chart I mentioned, which was done in 2005:

 

Acceptance Of Evolution in Different Countries

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No Australia!!

 

However to be fair what they make the graph out to represent is a bit misleading. Since the question asked was the emergence of humans, rather than evolution as a whole- you from goo (which came from rocks).... If this was asked the answers may be different.

 

 

I had to laugh at the graph though. I could imagine a caption under it saying..

 

"Everybody else believes it, why don't YOU?"

[Guest tharock220]

So if creation is taught in schools which version of creation should be taught??? There isn't enough time in one person's life to learn them for every religion.

[Cassiterides 1]

So if creation is taught in schools which version of creation should be taught???  There isn't enough time in one person's life to learn them for every religion.

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Multiple Evolution theories or hypotheses:

 

Darwinian

Lamarckism

Baldwinian

 

Cooperative eye hypothesis

Hunting hypothesis

Endurance running hypothesis

Grandmother hypothesis

Patriarch Hypothesis

EICA Hypothesis

Saltation Theory

 

Aquatic ape hypothesis

Out Of Africa hypothesis

Multi-regional hypothesis

 

Not as if you evolutionists are all in agreement now is it?

[gilbo12345 859]

So if creation is taught in schools which version of creation should be taught???  There isn't enough time in one person's life to learn them for every religion.

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1....2....3... Everybody say.... STRAWMAN!

 

When did I say that creationism should be taught in schools?? I'd like to see a quote.

 

I personally think that either both sides should be taught, OR no sides should be taught and that students should be taught how to think for themselves

[Harry 1]

1....2....3... Everybody say.... STRAWMAN! 

 

When did I say that creationism should be taught in schools?? I'd like to see a quote.

 

I personally think that either both sides should be taught, OR no sides should be taught and that students should be taught how to think for themselves

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When did anyone say that you said creationism should be taught? I don't see where the question was addressed to you. Overreact much?

 

It is still a valid question. Which creation myth would you like taught alongside evolution?

[gilbo12345 859]

I personally think that either both sides should be taught, OR no sides should be taught and that students should be taught how to think for themselves

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Harry you didn't read this?

[AFJ 33]

When did anyone say that you said creationism should be taught? I don't see where the question was addressed to you. Overreact much?

 

It is still a valid question. Which creation myth would you like taught alongside evolution?

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How about this? You respect millions of Christian American taxpayers whose money is used to pay science teachers. These people also know that for 1500 of years of European history, Biblical creation and Noah's flood were accepted as fact, even by scientists who laid the foundation for Lyell and Darwin.

 

Now modern man acts like none of it happened. This is because enlightenment professors and liberal theologians got into our higher education, who in turn educated our judges, and journalists. Now what has been created is an alternate natural history (i.e. the geologic timescale).

 

What you are not acknowledging is that evolution was made up in men's minds. Like Lyell, who was very influential, but obviously assumed all things continue the same. Present sedimentation rates justified calculations of how long it would take to build layers of limestone and other sedimentary rock. But this precludes a past catastrophic flood which is impossible to measure in the present.

[Harry 1]

How about this? You respect millions of Christian American taxpayers whose money is used to pay science teachers. These people also know that for 1500 of years of European history, Biblical creation and Noah's flood were accepted as fact, even by scientists who laid the foundation for Lyell and Darwin.

 

Now modern man acts like none of it happened. This is because enlightenment professors and liberal theologians got into our higher education, who in turn educated our judges, and journalists. Now what has been created is an alternate natural history (i.e. the geologic timescale).

 

What you are not acknowledging is that evolution was made up in men's minds. Like Lyell, who was very influential, but obviously assumed all things continue the same. Present sedimentation rates justified calculations of how long it would take to build layers of limestone and other sedimentary rock. But this precludes a past catastrophic flood which is impossible to measure in the present.

You are assuming that I agree with the idea of public education. I don't.

 

The question is STILL valid. Which version of the creation myth would you teach?

[Cassiterides 1]

What form or theory of evolution do/would you approve of?

 

Darwinian

Lamarckism

Baldwinian

 

Cooperative eye hypothesis

Hunting hypothesis

Endurance running hypothesis

Grandmother hypothesis

Patriarch Hypothesis

EICA Hypothesis

Saltation Theory

 

Aquatic ape hypothesis

Out Of Africa hypothesis

Multi-regional hypothesis

[AFJ 33]

You are assuming that I agree with the idea of public education. I don't.

 

The question is STILL valid. Which version of the creation myth would you teach?

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This is not a black and white issue. We have to respect our supreme court's interpretation of the first amendment. In my state of Louisiana, there have been court battles for years. Recently the ID lawyers won a case, where students in LA are now allowed to ask questions about other origin theories, but the teacher can not formally teach them. Looks like a situation for another court battle don't you agree?

 

In my humble opinion, I have a proposal that would ensure separation of church and state, while guarding the religious freedom of the students.

 

Since there are valid PhDs from all other the world that are ID or creationist on origins, it would do no harm to at least offer approved literature. State approved books could not advocate any particular religion, or religious book--it would have to be only scientific evidence which could lead to a conclusion of creation ex nehilo. It must stop as that conclusion period. Or it could be that which attempts to rebuttal evolution and uniformintarianism.

 

The reason I say this is that if there are some young people whose families are religious, they at least have a scientific rebuttal to evolution. As it is now, there is no rebuttal. This infringes on religious freedom, which is guaranteed by our constitution.

 

I know we are a long way from that, but we are doing everything else in America to offer inclusion--such as the recent lifting of the ban on g*y marriage.

[JoshuaJacob 25]

Louisiana passed a bill last year that critical thinking can be taught in the classroom along with the "theory" of evolution. Meaning that students could question the theory. Of course die hard evolutionists went into an uproar about this and threatened our state by canceling annual conventions they held here and some other functions. Its ok for their religion to be taught in the public schools, but not anyone else's.

[JoshuaJacob 25]

Hey AFJ, I live right down the road from You in Hammond

 

Seems we were thinking the same thing at the same time lol

[gilbo12345 859]

This is not a black and white issue.  We have to respect our supreme court's interpretation of the first amendment.  In my state of Louisiana, there have  been court battles for years.  Recently the ID lawyers won a case, where students in LA are now allowed to ask questions about other origin theories, but the teacher can not formally teach them.  Looks like a situation for another court battle don't you agree?

 

In my humble opinion, I have a proposal that would ensure separation of church and state, while guarding the religious freedom of the students.  

 

Since there are valid PhDs from all other the world that are ID or creationist on origins, it would do no harm to at least offer approved literature.  State approved books could not advocate any particular religion, or religious book--it would have to be only scientific evidence which could lead to a conclusion of creation ex nehilo. It must stop as that conclusion period. Or it could be that which attempts to rebuttal evolution and uniformintarianism. 

 

The reason I say this is that if there are some young people whose families are religious, they at least have a scientific rebuttal to evolution.  As it is now, there is no rebuttal. This infringes on religious freedom, which is guaranteed by our constitution.

 

I know we are a long way from that, but we are doing everything else in America to offer inclusion--such as the recent lifting of the ban on g*y marriage.

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This is the same reason why I had a debate on our Uni discussion board about evolution... To give those who did not want to bow down to evolution a scientific leg to stand on, and to let them know that evolution is NOT the "be all, end all" of scientific truth.

 

@ Harry. I already posed that either both sides should be taught, (with a grain of salt for each to be fair), or neither, rather teach the students HOW to think and process information logically, then let them figure out whats best for themselves.

[scott 3]

You are assuming that I agree with the idea of public education. I don't.

 

The question is STILL valid. Which version of the creation myth would you teach?

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No creation myth should be taught. Only the true 6 day Creation none myth of the Bible should be taught.

 

Anyways all this whining and complaining about what should and shouldn't be taught is complete Nonesense. I learned more about Christianity in College than I ever did in Public Schools. Nobody had any problem whatsoever when we had discussions about Creation or Christianity. Quite frankly it doesn't matter if it is taught. The only people getting upset about it are the Die-hard Atheist/ Evolutionist.

[philosophik 1]

No creation myth should be taught.  Only the true 6 day Creation none myth of the Bible should be taught.

 

Anyways all this whining and complaining about what should and shouldn't be taught is complete Nonesense.  I learned more about Christianity in College than I ever did in Public Schools.  Nobody had any problem whatsoever when we had discussions about Creation or Christianity.  Quite frankly it doesn't matter if it is taught.  The only people getting upset about it are the Die-hard Atheist/ Evolutionist.

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I agree with you 100%. In fact I have no problem with both creationism and evolution being taught alongside each other or both not being taught at all. The bottom line is that the average person, educated or not, is aware of the evolution vs. creationism debate. Any one who wants to know more has a wealth of information available on both POV if they so desire to seek it. If someone in school is a die hard christian it does not matter whether or not evolution is taught, they won't believe it. And you would be hard pressed to find someone in a developed country that does not know the basic tenets of Christianity, and if they so desired, could join a church. There are more than 2 billion christians in the world, most of which have no problem teaching what they believe. I would argue that that is way more than teachers in school who teach evolution. I would even bet there are more bibles in the world than text books that teach evolution. That is pure speculation of course, but would anyone disagree?

[AFJ 33]

I agree with you 100%. In fact I have no problem with both creationism and evolution being taught alongside each other or both not being taught at all. The bottom line is that the average person, educated or not, is aware of the evolution vs. creationism debate. Any one who wants to know more has a wealth of information available on both POV if they so desire to seek it. If someone in school is a die hard christian it does not matter whether or not evolution is taught, they won't believe it. And you would be hard pressed to find someone in a developed country that does not know the basic tenets of Christianity, and if they so desired, could join a church. There are more than 2 billion christians in the world, most of which have no problem teaching what they believe. I would argue that that is way more than teachers in school who teach evolution. I would even bet there are more bibles in the world than text books that teach evolution. That is pure speculation of course, but would anyone disagree?

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You might have a point there on the Bibles. The problem is that most people don't read them, including Christians .

 

Most watch the TV, which is predominately going with evolution -at least the news and government officials. So it's an information war really.

 

You know what's funny. I'm 48 years old. When I wa sa kid in the 60's, the news used to talk about TASS the propagandist, atheistic (communistic) press of Russia. But I just read a paper from a Russian geological team studying the formations in the Crimean Pennensula. They are creationists. Is it the other way around now? Maybe TASS of '65 could be the CNN of 2010!

[Guest Tommy]

Louisiana passed a bill last year that critical thinking can be taught in the classroom along with the "theory" of evolution. Meaning that students could question the theory. Of course die hard evolutionists went into an uproar about this and threatened our state by canceling annual conventions they held here and some other functions. Its ok for their religion to be taught in the public schools, but not anyone else's.

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Evolution is obviously a theory, why put the word in quotes? It is a conceptual explanation of general phenomena and the evidence, whether you accept it or not, is widely publicized. If critical thinking is being strategically placed in the curriculum next to evolution then the TOE is being unfairly singled out amongst those scientific theories supported by professional consensus.

 

Even if any given religion is the truth teaching it in school is unnecessary - that is the prerogative of the churches. If kids in Louisiana don't receive an education in orthodox natural history then they will be disadvantaged compared to kids from Uruguay, Finland, Wales, New South Wales, South Africa, South Korea, Bulgaria, Nova Scotia etc etc.

[Guest Tommy]

know what's funny.  I'm 48 years old.  When I wa sa kid in the 60's, the news used to talk about TASS the propagandist, atheistic (communistic) press of Russia.  But I just read a paper from a Russian geological team studying the formations in the Crimean Pennensula.  They are creationists.  Is it the other way around now?  Maybe TASS of '65 could be the CNN of 2010!

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Is there a translation of the paper on-line? I would be interested to know where the Soviets were coming from on this as their historical reputation was resolutely secular.

[philosophik 1]

You might have a point there on the Bibles.  The problem is that most people don't read them, including Christians . 

 

Most watch the TV, which is predominately going with evolution  -at least the news and  government officials.  So it's an information war really.

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I can't argue there, it's not like the bible is a riveting read to most people. However, it has to be the most published book of all time. Anyone who wants one, in many cases, can get it for free. But I agree with you about television. It is predominately pro evolution aside from the evangelicals who preach in the wee hours of the morning. But who stays up to watch that? Not many. But then again most people don't turn to television in order to decide which side of the fence they are sitting on. But the way I look at it, both sides hold equal ground when it comes to education. Although I am a proponent of evolution, I think it is healthy for kids to know both positions and for them to decide for themselves which will work for them.

[Bex 3]

I can't argue there, it's not like the bible is a riveting read to most people. However, it has to be the most published book of all time. Anyone who wants one, in many cases, can get it for free. But I agree with you about television. It is predominately pro evolution aside from the evangelicals who preach in the wee hours of the morning. But who stays up to watch that? Not many. But then again most people don't turn to television in order to decide which side of the fence they are sitting on. But the way I look at it, both sides hold equal ground when it comes to education. Although I am a proponent of evolution, I think it is healthy for kids to know both positions and for them to decide for themselves which will work for them.

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Not riveting? The creation of the world and mankind, the fall, Noah's flood, Sodom and Gommorah, the birth of Christ from a virgin, the miracles, the crucifixion, the ressurection, revelation and much more besides .....

 

I can almost see God "There's no pleasing some people"!

[gilbo12345 859]

Evolution is obviously a theory, why put the word in quotes?

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Actually there is debate about that. My lectuer today said about 15 times that evolution is a "fact" and that it is "true"... Yet the lecturer I had last week said that evolution is a theory, and you cannot technically prove a theory... Only support it..

 

Hmm.. Just some food for thought

[Cassiterides 1]

But I agree with you about television. It is predominately pro evolution

It is, however no single theory is ever put forward. Evolutionists are at war with themselves more than with creationists, for example i recently watched about 5 minutes of an evolution doctumentary about the origins of man, the clip showed one scientist arguing with another (quite strongly and harshly) over the Out Of Africa hypothesis Vs. the Multi-regional hypothesis. Both scientists were evolutionists but were calling each other ''wrong''.

 

The theory of evolution just seems to be in a great mess, evolutionists themselves can't even agree.